Re: 1992 Eagle Talon TSI Project
 

So today i cleaned up the SMOP, started polishing the exhaust manifold (out of boredom), honed the #4 cylinder. Went to DB today and picked up a boost controller, and got a small boner looking at the PTE Billet 67 in the case, and decided this may be the turbo of my choice for the big build.
Popped off the turbo and this really doesnt look like a Evo3 B16g. Can someone look at this picture and tell me if they think it really is?

Re: 1992 Eagle Talon TSI Project
 

WTF is that growth on the outlet elbow?

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Get a pic of the numbers on the comp. housing and we can tell u what it is, there is a thread on tuners about the numbers vs. big, small, E3 16g.

Re: 1992 Eagle Talon TSI Project
 

Besides the TD05H?

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Welds.

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http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/atta...ches-inlet.jpg

As you can see this evo3 16g looks VERY different than what i have, main thing being the compressor wheel. the one i have looks like they put an exhaust wheel on the compressor side. WTF

Re: 1992 Eagle Talon TSI Project
 

looks more like a 14b dude. what's the serial number say? e316g compared with this is big difference. i'll see if i can compare my b16g with my e316g i have currently.

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No. Im sorry, i was mistaken, i rechecked the for sale thread and it says Small 16g. Dammit. I really hate small 16gs.

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You didn't buy that off eBay did you?

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No. this is what came with the car. I dont plan on changing it until the big boy goes on. BTW, the above picture was from google images. the very top picture is of my actual turbo.

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yeah, at first i was looking at my turbo suspecting it was a 14b because of the serial number. Later jhann dude found out that it had the e316g compressor wheel with the 14b housing. Previous owner did that.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q291/2of9/e3vb16.jpg

Re: 1992 Eagle Talon TSI Project
 

yeah both of those have a completly different compressor wheel then what i have.

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Ok how similar do these look... http://media.photobucket.com/image/t...14BRebuild.jpg
And attached

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^^yeah. i thought the big 16g had the double fins instead of the 14b fins?...both ways, i don't like the 'small' turbos but evo 3 is a pretty badass turbo.

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the link is a 14b. the attached is my turbo. hmmm. maybe awd-drifter was right.

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they look exactly alike. I think the last serial numbers are also the same. 1030

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Nice 14b. Haha, oh boy.

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I've posted the info and links on how to tell what the turbo is by the stamp of the last two digets on the comp cover on here like five times, hit the search button punk! Looks like a 14b to me.

Was it sold to you as a 16g?

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http://mitsustyle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25399

'Small 16g'

any 16g will have the 6-bladed comp wheel, not the 10+ like in the pic above. Sorry man, I'd ask for some cash back on that deal, ouch...then again, at this point maybe just say eff it and keep moving on it.

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Yeah, that turbo you have is a 14b.

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Hey just think, if you figure out how to compound about 4 more of those together you could test the limits of those fancy rods you have!! lol

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Yeah im just moving on. I got the car for $1500, Ive already put in a lot of money to get it running. Im not too worried about the turbo, my numbers on the dyno day may be really low though (not that they were going to be very high anyways. :) ) But its only to get a good baseline number for when the modding begins. So maybe a really low number will be a good thing :)
I just know that driving the freakin thing is going to be annoying until i get a lag monster on there. :)
Maybe at the track i could go for the 14b record. HA HA.

Re: 1992 Eagle Talon TSI Project
 

FTFY Tom :)

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LOL like i told Kracka, Theres nothing like when shes spooling up and you start sinking into the back of the seat. Then when you reach the final boost level for a couple thousand RPMs, then it starts all over again when you change gears.
With smaller turbos, that sinking into the back of the seat doesnt happen very long, and your already at the top of the boost and leveling off. like a quickie.

Re: 1992 Eagle Talon TSI Project
 

14B
49178-01010
49178-01030
49178-01400
49178-01410

Small 16G
49178-01520
49178-05200

Big 16G
49178-01420

Evo I Big 16G
49178-01450

Evo II Big 16G
49178-01460

Evo III Big 16G
49178-01470

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Couple pics of the progress.
Sorry if they are crappy quality, Head is shiney!

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Care for a ride in my car? Might change your mind ;) 4000+rpm of powerband can be quite a lot of fun!

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16G powa FTW!!

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Ageed! 4-5k RPM of powerband just can't be beat for a street car.

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Hell yeah, powerband beat a lot of numbers on the street and was fun as hell to drive.
But then you won't be cool on the internet or at meets when you have a little turbo :o(

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Yay Parts came in today and picked them up. Ill be starting on this beast tonight, and hopefully have her up and running by the weekend. if not earlier.

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gosh darn it!!! (in a good way)

Get er done guy.

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Ok, lets see some progress on the soon to be rusty manifold!! lol

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+1

I keep checking this thread for pictures of this said polished manifold you keep speaking of! haha

I like the shiny head! Looks sexy!

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Yeah, there has been no progress on the shiney manifold. at this point im not sure if there will be any. Ive gotten bored with it and with what has been happening in my professional life ive had trouble finding time.
But last night i made some good progress...
I assembled the rod and piston with the rings and all. Put the new bearings on the rod, lubed them up with lubriplate, and installed it. Then i thought about how easy that was so i decided to pull the rest of the pistons so they were out of the car, cleaned them up, put the new bearings on and installed them as well. Everything is torqued down nicely at 38 ft-lbs (thanks TKR for the quick responce on how much to torque them).
When i was loosening the bolts on the rod caps i was shocked. From the feel of it, the bolts had to be under 15 lbs of torque. :O So im glad i caught it in time and didnt half ass it and replace just the piston and let her buck.
Tonight i will be cleaning up the intake mani by hand and hopefully will get to put the oil pan on and possibly if there is time get the head installed and torqued down.
Question for you 1g guys:
When you take off and put on the head do you usually install with the intake manifold attached? On my 2gs i always installed the intake mani after putting the head on. but then again its been a long time since i have had a stock intake manifold.

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What did you gap the rings to? Also, do you have a ring filer or just file by hand?

I'd put the manifold on first, then attach the head. Especially if it's a stock manifold.

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If the block is still in the car when you're putting the head on, I would put the intake mani on the head before putting the head on the block. The bottom bolts/nuts are almost impossible to get to once it's in the car.

Re: 1992 Eagle Talon TSI Project
 

What they said, when we took the head off my car, it would have been pretty tough to get the IM off without the head off the car, so I'm sure it would go the same way while putting it back together.

Re: 1992 Eagle Talon TSI Project
 

thanks for bringing that up. I got my question about the gaps answered by MAP and the shoutbox.

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OK Since i have been banned for the past like forever. i have made lots of progress on the car. because i havnt been tied up with whoring up the shoutbox and stuff.
Update: Piston showed up last weekend. It was wrong. Way wrong. MAP has been great through this. and ordered the correct one and has been getting dicked around by their distributor and it was supposed to be here last wednesday, then today, and i dunno maybe tomorrow. Their distributor keeps telling them tomorrow.
So while i have been bored and waiting for the piston and even more bored because i havent had style. i have done quite a few things.
- Cleaned the carpet, While taking out the front seats i found a Stewart Warner Ultra-Shift Light. Which i was excited about. It has a digi readout that tells me my rpm. woot.
- Cleaned up the turbo.
- Gapped the rest of the rings. most of them were ok except for one was a little tight. now its perfect.
- cleaned the piston tops so no carbon and look like new.
- Mounted the electronic trigger for the Crane Ignition.
- Wired up the Ignition
- Wired up the new boost gauges (it does a cool opening ceromony that i found exciting.)
- Wired up oil pressure.
- Put everthing together and put in the seats.
- Polished the water pipe as it was looking rusty.
- Cleaned all interior from dust and debris.
- Got the rear seat from TKR, thanks mark
- Got the rest of the plastics from CarPsycho Thanks Mike.
- Installed plastics. and rear seat, looks like a complete dsm from the inside.
- Other Misc Stuff.
Happy St. Pattys day. !
Tom