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Looking good! look forward to seeing it all buttoned up!

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Looks sweet! Hope my 16g dosnt keep up!!

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Looks awesome, bob does good work i'm happy with my stuff and your stuff looks awesome.

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All done! Hughes came over this morning and we put the new blue hotness in. We had everything buttoned up and car started around 10:30am, then proceeded to putz with (gah I hate turbo swaps!) oil leaks. I had everything as it was with the previous turbo, same lines and everything, just oil was dumping *everywhere* out the bottom. After a trip to denny's I realized that I had taken out the stock o2 housing support bracket (it was in teh way of the o2/downpipe but just rubbed before) and one of the bolt holes led to an oil galley near the balance shaft.....DOH! Soon after that, I discovered that oil was leaking past one of the bolts for the oil drain/oilpan connection, so I begrudgingly yanked it, put a little rtv on the threads and back smooth section, and put it back in...making a mess in the process :P This solved all the oil leaks. During what we shall call 'leak testing' I had discovered that this turbo is everything its sold as. A direct bolt-on, stock-spooling, big-power-gains-up-top assembly of goodness.

I've been having issues with my alky kit lately and just on pump gas, torque in the midrange is up slightly, but power up top is just heavenly. Before I'd look for 6000rpms and then time it just after that to shift around 7k...now I'm hitting 7500+ and slamming in the clutch because its coming much quicker than I expect it. After we got the oil leaks figured out and we did some quick STi p0wn4ge, he kept saying, 'timing....timing.....more timing!' So we did just that. Added a degree across the board and leaned out the tune just a tad. Still zero knock and the car just puuuuuuuullls up top.

Now, big turbo guys, stop laughing. This thing is tiny, yes, it's probably not making 700whp...but on pump gas, I'm hitting full boost right around 3000rpms, and power pulls steadily to 8000. I don't want to make whp guesses right now, but I will say it feels up top as good or better than my alky tune before, which was about 360whp on DB's dyno dynamics.

Me likey.

The plot thickens though. A few weeks back I thought air was leaking past the seals in the turbo (the ix turbo I just took off) when I did a boost leak test. Today on the bench we hooked up a compressor and sealed off the comp outlet with the palm of my hand, and it not only holds boost, it doesn't leak air past the bearings. So it appears I had a healthy IX turbo....311, get on AIM, you and I need to talk. If anyone is interested in this turbo (the IX one), please pm me and we'll work out a deal.

All back together:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo-b...9657.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo-b...9658.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo-b...9659.sized.jpg

Re: Little. Blue. Different.
 

nicely done..Must be nice to spool at 3k..Sounds like you'll hafta throw me the keys again soon ;)

-A. Swift

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Looking good, excited for some numbers :) top end sounds great though.

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OMG, that turbo sounds heavenly. I love the fact it pulls to 8k, i wish i would of called you a bit ago when I was out, i would love a ride in what sounds like the perfect 16G.

Good luck with the rest of the tuning stuff.

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The car feels great, at about 6k RPM you really start to notice its not a stock turbo in there!

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That looks slick! Cant wait for a ride. :)

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Awesome! I'm glad you like it! Sounds like it'll be a real monster when you get your alky kit working properly again, or if you decide to go E85 again.

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awesome! Glad to hear you got everything sorted out and running good! The blackness looks very nice!

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This thing holds boost awesome. Boost taper is really an issue with the stock turbo, a 24psi spike would end up at 19psi or less on a MBC. Using a GM BCS holds boost much better up top, but not like this thing. I've logged 24psi @ 7800rpms on a 3rd gear pull, that just wasn't possible before.

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Not on Gheyrod! :D

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This is true! Your car does dang good on a MBC....I just remember Jim's car and others tapering to like 17....even with a big spike it seems to fall fall fall. Your car likes timing more than boost though, so it works!

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Nicely done!

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Here's a graph I made a few days ago showing how this turbo holds boost way up top. This is a *rough* tune, so its a little choppy and has a few low spots. This is a basic 3rd gear pull...sometimes on my IX turbo I could hold boost pretty good up top in 4th gear, but not like this thing! I've logged 24.7psi @7800rpm.

http://www.scheides.com/misc/pics/ev...itial-pump.jpg

The spool area is a little lacking, I switched some settings in my bcs stuff that cuts down max upward correction based on TPS, and the net result is less WGDC during spool-up. I'm trying to figure out a way around it, as it induces a bit of lag, yet the turbo flows more than the stocker so while driving it, you really don't notice.

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More info, just a general update:

I've put about 300 miles on the car (it is my daily driver) since putting the turbo in, and after getting boost dialed in, I have been having nothing but fun with it. It's natural to want to shift as power peaks and falls off. On the stock turbo it happens around 6000 and then shift at 7000. With the BBK, 7800rpms is there before you notice and its time to shift! I have GSC Beehive springs w/ kelford 272 cams and have an 8300rpm rev limit, but I try and shift before 8k to keep the bottom end happy for a long time to come.

Cruising and part throttle, the car actually feels more responsive than the stock turbo. I'm sure part of this is tuning, but the car def feels more torquey under daily non-WOT driving. At 70mph on the freeway, top gear, I can step on it and roll back the throttle a bit and get plenty of passing momentum, it is just so close to the stock turbo it is amazing.

Lastly, the week before I installed the BBK I had been taking care of my brother's dog, Mack. Mack is a pointer/lab mix and 80 pounds or so of spaz-tastic energy bursts. I strained my shoulder/neck a little in the mix of things, and then doing a turbo install, my neck was less than happy but I wasn't really in pain. Well, the BBK did NOT help things, my neck felt WAY worse monday and tuesday....ironically i was doing pull after pull after pull doing street tuning Weds was bad and today I've been taking it easy and it finally is starting to feel better. So yea, hang on tight, cause this turbo means business!

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This turbo sounds great. It also sounds like you are nothing but happy with it.
The bottom end should be fine with a good tune.
You got a rocking setup.

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I just want to say, stock turbo'd evos are SO MUCH FUN, and that's what makes this thing such a blast. 16g's are still my favorite, but its freaking awesome that there's products like this on the market. Now, if it lasts another 65k miles like the stocker did, I'll be extra happy!

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wish they would make one for a dsm

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Maybe I should throw your old turbo on the A. lol

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I seriously thought about putting an IX turbo on anna's GLI, there's room for it and that 2.0 direct injection motor would do well with a twin-scroll turbo. You should see what that thing does with a little gt28rs and a good tune. 300wtq (mustang) from 3100-6500.

Aaron, they do: http://blouchturbo.com/turbos/Eclipse_Dominator_II/
Search their site, there's more. The problem is, I haven't heard squat about them. Their dom2 for the evoX is pretty awesome though, stock appearing and buschur made 400whp (mustang) with his, 25psi on pump gas. When I saw that, I seriously considered an X for the first time.

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Update, I hit the dyno. Unfortunately I'm not near the numbers I expected; fortunately, I hit the dyno just before installing the BBK for a baseline, and I'm up 50whp from my stock IX turbo. Unfortunately during the baseline I was down 60whp from the last time I was on this dyno, so I am at a bit of a dejected spot right now. The car is still fun as hell though, and with the alky on its never felt like it does now. At 7500rpms I'm up about 85whp.

Stay tuned...

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Any idea why you are down the power?

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O.o

good luck!

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The power up top sounds good, i wouldn't feel bad about that.

Brah, that turbo is $1400, i got what i hope is perfect bolt on for $400, new its $900ish with oil lines and crap.

Keep us updated.

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I'm just starting to look for answers. Unfortunately I planned this right before a vacation so I don't know how much investigating I'll get to do. I think its been down on power since last summer though, august or september. I made 378whp on MAPs dyno day in the fall and thought it was low for having just made 360whp on DB's DD dyno, but had never been on there before and chalked it up to my awesome luck. After doing HG, Water pump, timing stuff, cams, springs, and having gosh go over the head, I made 380whp on E85 on MAPs dyno in January. Aside from power profile changing a bit due to the cams, no major change in power there.

The car has been burning a bit of oil since the headgasket swap last fall (possible it could have started before that, I don't recall). I had the FMIC off last summer and thought maybe I had left a shop towel in the fmic inlet, but I took all of the ic piping out and checked all of it, and from what I can see there's no debris anywhere that I can see. I am 99.999% sure the FMIC is fine but there's an ounce of lingering doubt that it could be the issue.

Compression a month ago was like 175 170 165 170, gonna do it again to verify as well as do a leak-down test.

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Start a thread about this mystery turbo you keep eluding to man! Otherwise you keep pulling my thread OT... ;)

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I'm sorry homes.
Anywho, 85whp up top is sick. DYNO GRAPH?
I would of loved 20whp from 6k up to 7500, but 85 is like a new car/turbo.

Anywho, stay tuned i'm finally starting to get over the pain so hopefully soon.

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Here it is. It's a sad state of affairs. Top graph is from last friday; bottom is from about a month prior (so this is a direct before/after with the stock IX turbo vs BBK):

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo-b...0005.sized.jpg

Yet, here is where I was about a 8 months ago (with stock IX turbo):
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evo8/IMG_7475.sized.jpg

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huh, weird how you lost power. i mean from months ago not even comparing the new turbo.

Anywho, looks like a nice gain if your mysterious loss wouldn't of occured then maybe 400 would of been attainable.

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it is a mystery

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Ya. If anyone has any ideas, feel free to post up....actually, I'll start a new thread about it once I have more data.

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That is weird. The before/after boost with the IX turbo looks almost identical. And it doesn't seem like the IX turbo was that bad.

Do you know what compression was last year?

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Are you POSITIVE the timing belt isn't off a tooth? That could explain it. Compression seems decent, so that shouldn't be it and if you had the head done, then the leak down should come back ok unless the rings are shot, but that isn't real likely. I am sure you have done a boost leak test, right?

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Compression was almost identical last year, and shane and I checked the timing on the dyno, it was good. Yes I've done several boost leak tests; I almost always do before going to the dyno; the only time I didn't was before my session a few weeks ago, and guess what I did when I got home and guess what I found? A few small leaks, nothing catastrophic though. I thought the IX turbo was going out but it looks now as though its fine.

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I thought the same with my sweet 16G

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Have you checked to see if the car is pulling timing for some reason? I would do another compression test just to be sure. The problem seems weird though.

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Yup, these are fully tuned maps, no knock, no timing pull. When we first flipped on the alky, the car hit like 340whp at like 5800rpms and literally held it flat until 7300rpms, like it had just hit a wall for airflow or something.

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You checked the timing belt timing on the dyno or the ignition timing?

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Timing belt timing. I don't think there's a way to set base timing on an evo, like you would on a DSM. The CAS is not adjustable.