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Yeah.... LSnothing, I aint going to be like everyone else who gets a japanese RWD car and decides to drop in a LSx motor. Im going to be like every other mitsu fanatic and drop a 4g6x motor in it :D

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

Just wait for a while. Let that g54b love insert itself into you. You'll like it. Just find a way to get that turbo up to 18-19 psi.

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Mmmmmm, 19psi is my kind of style for sure.... Hey, if your not busy friday I might be trying to rewire some gauges and put my turbo timer, and FCD back in since its supposed to be nice out. So if ya wanna come check it out and maybe help me figure out what half the shit is let me know. Ill PM ya my number.

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yeah, friday will work. got the PM.

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The BCD or FCD should fix the boost cut or fuel cut problem. Either way, the 1G MAS would for sure fix it. I'm sure you can't hit fuel cut with a 12A anyway. I never did and remember that my 1987 had the same fuel-cut-happy ignition box.

You have to check what controller you have for the AIC, some of them can be rigged as MPI. That type can control each injector separately so you can make up for the couple lean intake runners and the couple rich ones. I thought TEP sold that kind so it's worth looking into.
If you are ever wantiong to make power; you have to up the size of the turbine wheel. The stock turbine wheel only belongs on the 12A. Even the 14G could really use the TD05H turbine. You an look at Chiplee's cam thread and he will show you that you can't make power on a TD05-20G, even at 25psi+

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TEP doesn't do "Race Built Engines". His high-end stuff is JE pistons on stock rods. He doesn't do MPI and doesn't believe in making more than 300hp at the crank. The motor is prolly just a stock rebuild, or a rebuild with Hyper-U pistons. (Hyper-Us for Starquests are horse shit and should be thrown out for stockers)

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

My hypers we fine until I ran too much timing! ;) lol.

In the past, it was generally agreed upon that the reason power fell off at 5k rpm was that the valve springs began to float. Every car, just like clockwork. Then people started putting schneider HD springs in (100lb seat pressure vs. 74 stock) and weren't able to raise their powerband. Then people started realizing, very slowly, that it was the exhaust housing and wheel that was the problem. As soon as you get away from mitsu-based bolt on turbo's you will find that you can make power much higher up and you don't really need HD valve springs till later, maybe when it's time for a cam.

Everyone upgrades the valve springs, it's like one of the first mods. So it's hard to say what can be done with stockers.

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You can still use Mitsu housings, just not the stocker. People have had good luck with the Syclone housing and the mitsu 10cm.

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oh yeah, and the stock turbo and intake and stuff is good for 13's if you drive well. :) I went 14.2 @ 100mph with a 2.6 60 foot. get a good launch and bam! 13.9s haha.

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Yeah, thank go Im not running stock turbo, I have a 14g, Ill push that.

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The 14G was the "sport" turbo offered as a dealer mod. It has the same turbine as the 12A.

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I've ridden in a 14g car once. It was a purple starion owned by a guy named Jesse. Never saw him again after that. Anecdote finished.

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Do you want to tell me anymore about how garbage my turbo apparently is?

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

Well, this car is awesome. Thanks for swinging by Ryder!

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Thanks for helping me to get this beast running right. It was a good time. Cant wait for summer tho lol. Ill get up some pics of all my electronics installed, versus hanging.

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

Swung over and took a look at the car, replaced a few wires, fixed the bov so it works the way a bov should. Drained the oil, black as the night, but it's fresh now.

All i have to say is we pulled the plugs..... but when the pics get up you'll all be in for a good laugh.

The turbo has to be a 14g, it's in the 12a housing but it is not the 12a, i've got two of them here in my garage and they WAY smaller in size than the one on the turbo.

But, tune in tomorrow for some awesome pics of the plugs, grab a beer, some Kleenex and be amazed.

Gravy

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Hurry up! let's see the pics!

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Well here are those pictures Gravy was talking about.


TADA!!!!!! LOOK MA!!! NO ELEMENT!!!!
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8...0192sp2.th.jpg

But look at those compression numbers, thsoe are out of 140.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4262/photo0194jc1.th.jpg

And heres the turbo we assume is a 14g. Well the compressor housing and wheel at least.
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3...0190kq3.th.jpg

And the new guage.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3294/photo0195ec5.th.jpg

So needless to say, after replacing the plugs, the rotor, and distributor cap, I now have my top end back, no more back firing, and she pulls like any other Mitsubishi motor. Now I just need some sticky tires on the back, Im having a problem with shifting into 2nd gear under boost and the ass end wanting to break out :):seeya::seeya::seeya:


Oh yeah, and some turtle wax for the win.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3729/photo0196oq2.th.jpg

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

And the new tires on the back, and one on the front. Traction seems to be a small issue.

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How much boost are you running now?

And don't worry about those compression numbers. (you did do them with the throttle wide open with the other plugs out and injectors unplugged, right?)

Oh yeah, and we're going to convert this bad bitch to wasted spark for about 2 dolla.

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

I didnt really turn it up much, im only at about 10psi right now, im going to put it at 15psi tomorrow I think or next time I drive it.

And the compression was done with all plugs out, fuel pump unplugged, foot off the throttle, and the tester was only hand tightened in with a poor o ring on it, so actual compression might be higher.

And how are we going to go wasted spark on this bia? and why not just use my MSD coil :D

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

You should open the throttle all the way. That way, all the air that can be sucked in will be.

And the wasted spark thing is just an idea right now, but it might work. We take the rotor in your distributor and install another arm 180 degrees from the one on there. Since the firing order is 1342, pair cylinders will be fired simultaneously, just like a dsm.

I am assuming dsm coilpacks send the spark to both "nodes" (plug wire recepticle thing). If that's the case, then it would work. If it does, you get the benefits of wasted spark. And you can use your MSD coil. it would be stock appearing, but more awesome.

And ease into the boost, 1 psi at a time.

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Next time you swing by work rydo, let me know. I wanna measure the inducer on your turbo, hard to tell if it's a 14g or 16g. I would think the 14g due to the exhaust housing but you know me. I can't be happy without knowing for sure.

But now you've got me reading up on your car to figure out all the ins and outs... why i'm doing that, i don't know. But will be helpful in the months to come i have a feeling.

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Gravy might be able to fill you in better, but that's just not my style Andrew. You will figure this out lol.

Oh and I can do that Josh. Ill be back up in the area Wednesday if you are going to be working.

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

Vacation starts on wed, i'll have to check another time. I know for a fact it's either a 14g or 16g, but the exhaust looks unmolested from the outside, and knowing how the plugs looked, i'd say it's just a 14g.

Going to have to get a quick wrap up on the car soon i think. Want it fired up and ready to go for spring.

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

great googly moogly, nice job getting her back to normal

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Let me know when you are working on it/playing with it again, I want to join the fun!

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Ok will do, but wasted spark set up is a no go, waste of time lol. But the next project will the exausht Im thinking.

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Yeah, I realized that it wouldn't be so simple. But someone with a lot of time on their hands and a bunch of spare parts could make it happen.

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Not to mention that wasted spark is worse than sequential. It would be pointless to go wasted spark.

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+1

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Ah, welp, my bad. haha.

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Yeah, I didnt want to be the one to crush your dreams like that, you can wikipedia it lol. Got my new tire on the front, but now its having a hesitation again really bad when I try WOT with my MBC turned up. Oh well, Ill have to wait for a sunny day..

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

Back off until it doesn't do it. Or install that BCD.

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Im thinking I might be fuel cutting, because its actually not so much a hesitation as it is the car falls on its face completely. Then it will try to go again, then fall on its face again, until I stop pushing on the throttle.

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

Yeah, that's fuel cut. It's really fun. I know.

Just turn down the boost until you install something that makes it go away. 86's are nice with the whole MAS elimination thing, but it won't stop the numbnuts computer from fuel cutting. The idea may have been better, but the execution was horsepoop.

89 computer, knock box and a 1G MAS or MAFT setup.

If you buy an 88-89 harness and that other stuff, we could have it swapped out in a day.

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

I could also have my FCD installed in a day lol. But Ill keep it in mind. Id rather work with what I got.

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Yeah, I can dig it.

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The next thing to go on the car. I got the mandrel bends coming in and a place where I can buy my 2.5" pipe :D Should make a little difference over stock.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8783/photo0202vf3.jpg

Re: A real mans DSM :D, Introducing, the Starion
 

probably about 5-10hp over stock with stock boost levels. Hey, it might even fuel cut now when your stock exhaust didn't.

You install the BCD yet? :)