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I totally agree. but when one camp is making a campaign of their biography and not speaking on how they plan on getting us out of this place we are in, or their views on everything, how can we not focus on why they would not be a great president. Its like Matt Damon said, theres a 1 and 3 chance that john mccain will not survive his first term. So we as american people need to focus on both of them. Notice how Biden isnt getting a lot of press or major attacks on him.. its because he has a freakin awesome track record and no one wants to mess with him. At least if Barak were to die in office we know that we would have someone that we could feel confident that would be able to run the office.

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+1 Change does not come from the entrenched Republican and Democratic parties. I don't care if it's Obama or McCain claiming it.

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Theres such thing as being realistic. The only two parties that have a decent chance for president is the two we are argueing over. If the independent parties were to come up with a strong candidate and work for a full 4 years gaining support, i would care what that candidate thought, but its just not a reality right now. Believe me, when Nader ran, i supported him, but in todays current society it is a two party system. Unfortunatly.

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I understand what you are saying, but in the end, no matter if you vote for Ron Paul(I like him) or not, it comes down to these two parties(realistically). At that point, I say vote for the lessor evil(politics making everyone evil..). I don't mean to downplay what you and others are doing and believe in, but it just seems like a wasted vote(specially in this very important election). Thoughts? Or care to make someone like me understand the rational? Not meant to be disrespectful, truly want to know.

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Then I will place a vote with a mark next to McCain. No, not a vote for McCain, but a vote against Obama.

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OK, thats fine, but that really wasn't my question. I thought maybe you were part of the Ron Paul/Independent contingent that had a reason for voting for neither party and only for Ron Paul or whoever Independent is running. So was curious the basis or plan or thought process behind it.. Apparently not though.

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If the independants get a certain percentage of the votes (4%?) then they will get funding in the next election. Right now none of them get a high enough percentage to do that.

Everyone is screaming about change, yes things in the economy need to change, but change can be either good or bad. Is Obama good change or bad change? That is something you have to decide. The current economy was not caused by the president, it was brought about because we are all cheap asses. We buy the cheapest shit possible and send all of our money to China, India and other poor countries. How can our economy be strong if we send all of our money overseas? It doesn't matter if it was a Democrat or Republican in the oval office, WE caused this. Who helped the most? NAFTA, that was Clinton's doing for you the young ones.

I heavily agree that we need to get out of the 2 party system to bring REAL change about, but it doesn't have the momentum yet to do that. Obama is just SO far left, that he is scary. McCain is pretty far left for a republican, so he is pretty middle of the road. I loved Ron Paul, but it just isn't going to happen this year. The future is looking scary no matter who wins this one.

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Did any of you catch Real Time tonight?
The republican on there was a complete retard. And Bill Maher really called him out on the point where this Wall Street Journal tried to tell Bill that "No one really knows what the Bush Doctrine is..." Bill then cut him off calling him a Cynic, He was trying to play off the fact that not everyone should know what the bush doctrine is and that hes trying to push votes for the less intelligent and poor people.
I have this main thought about Palin then im probably (maybe) going to stop looking to bash her... (at least until the vice presidential debate).
If a person running for the second highest position in America, Does not know the MAJOR policies that she will need to abide by and know, SHE SHOULD NOT BE UP FOR THE POSITION!!! All of you McCain supporters, How can you sit there and support this woman, I would like to think that the majority of you Currently 15 people know better then to support someone who doesnt know the policies that govern this country.
I will proudly support Obama over McCain, Its better to support someone who is looking for change, Even if he doesnt follow through, it will make America want it more, and getting it in Americas heads is much better then brushing if off and not wanting to change anything. McCain and Palin Support everything that Bush has done, and i cant let that fly. Sorry NO WAY NOT AGAIN.
It pisses me off that America can be so stupid.

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I will ask the question then. Why will Palin make a good VP or possible president??

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The bottom line is that this country needs CHANGE. If you like the way the economoy is, the way government is run currently, the things Bush does like starting a war based on false reports, etc.. then vote for McCain. If you're willing to take a chance and vote for a possible change in our future then go with Obama. I was born in '70. I know what the good times were like. Maybe many of you that were born in the mid to late '80's feel like things were always shitty but they weren't. It's gotten so bad that I'm glad i'm not young. In my early years, we didn't have to worry about someone coming into our school and shooting people up. Something is wrong out there.

McCain has voted along with Bush 100% of the time in 2008, 95% in 2007.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_103718.html

There's no guarantees no matter who you vote for. But I like the priorities of Obama vs. McCain.

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God this thread is annoying. all the big media is against republicans (obama is more of a celebrity now then a candidate) and a magority the smaller media is rooting for the republicans. phuk it.

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It's attitudes like this that are the reason why we are stuck in a two-party system. Reality is there are other candidates, like it or not, and the media is to blame for these other people not being known. I dare you to ask anyone on the street who Ron Paul is, and I bet you the majority respond with "Ron who?"

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Im sick of arguing. :pc:

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It seems that too many peoples' minds are made up already, what's the point of arguing?

At first I was semi-ok with just McCain, but Palin was the dealbreaker for me.

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I found this article pretty informational as I am just now finding time to research the candidates:

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/...ues/index.html

In regards to my vote it will likely go to Obama. I feel like we need to be done with this war and Palin just makes me uneasy. Even with McCain promising to lower the corporate tax rate, it just isn't enough to overcome my aforementioned concerns.

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I typically think a little more republican then democrat, but I do not vote based on a party. I vote on who I think the best candidate is. Right now I'm pretty much undecided and can't wait to watch the debates in the future. I am not a guru when it comes to politics, but I personally think the presidential candidates are pretty good this year. On one side we have a very energetic man that seems to be extremely motivated to bring change to this country. On the other hand we have an extremely experienced man whose seen and done a lot for this country. I'm more excited about this election then I have been for any in the past.

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I give this country an "F"

I will not be voting because my faith in our political system has collapsed.

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Well while I was at my friends house getting drunk last night, there were these 2 chicks just goin at it about McCain and Obama. Now I really hate politics because it's just not my thing, but I just drank my beer and watched the entertainment as long as I could. Basically, what I got out of it (and what I've gotten outa this thread) is that with McCain things will stay about the same, and with Obama things may get better or may get worse.

I don't know who I'm going to vote for yet, or if I'm even going to vote at all. People say every vote counts, and that scares the crap outa me. What if I vote for the wrong person?!

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Politics seem to really ruffle up a few peoples feathers...


I like Palin. She says what she thinks. I say fuck Obama. Seems like just another fad.

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+ 1 on the faith... I probably won't vote either.

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We should be like Australia who penalizes people with fees if they do not vote. I don't know why you would NOT vote, you live in a country who gives you a choice on who you want to lead it, yet you don't voice your opinion on the matter. Most dumb thing I have ever heard.

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There, fixed for ya. :D

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Yes, and goes for both mainstream parties. :)

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just vote. alot of people in the early 20th century have fought and some have died just to vote. just vote because it'll just be a waste of space and time if no one votes....that or Bush gets it again!! lol.

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totally agree. You should definatly vote. I didnt vote in the last presidential election, and i feel i really should have.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgjyOuvuCPc heres for those that missed the bill maher episode last friday.

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That was hilarious, You were so outraged with Bush and hyped up the election for months. Then didn't even vote :lol:

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If you don't vote you don't get to complain or argue. Can it Tom. No complaing or arguing from you till after you have voted.

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QFT.

You have no right to complain if you didn't use your right to vote.

Also, I will never understand the mentality of someone saying "The system is so screwed up, thats why I'm not voting."

That's WHY we vote!! To fix things, to change things. Don't like it, voice your opinion and vote for who/want you want!!

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Hey we all make mistakes. Lucky our nation made the right decision :rolls eyes:

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If you, and the other 150 million lazy people in America actually went out and voted in the last election, you maybe wouldn't have had to roll your eyes at us right now.

http://www.polishmafia.com/rolleyes.gif

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QFT. ownage.

I really wonder how things would be if Kerry won. lolz Armageddon.

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Ill chime in for a second, I dont really wanna get involved. I agree we all should vote but to me it just seems obsolete when the past 2 elections have been rigged. QFT. Also, I will be voting this year for the first time and I am proud of it, will it matter? Yes and No. Yes it will because I can honestly say I tried to make a change in my life and my country, but also it may not matter if the election has already been figured out who'll win.

I found this video too, nothing to dramatic but still. Makes you think about McCain. There are plenty of other videos out there, documentaries, books, etc. www.whatreallyhappened.com is a good website as well. Carry on.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWS5ijLELRU

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Tom that YouTube link isn't working.

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I do think we need to get rid of the electoral collage BS though. Should be done by the popular vote.

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Correct

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Deffinitely. We should vote on it.

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Saw this on another forum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1q9Q0OtJ4g

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One thing i really would like to add.
If Obama and Biden do win this thing we better win by a landslide, because if its anywhere close, thats when elections get stolen, and the republicans have a lot of lawyers.

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Blah, blah, blah
Damn near all the Dems are lawyers :lol: