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Dude... Quit using Google to hold up your end of this discussion. I've at least shown links with credible sources. All you do is say "Google said so" and post links to Rolling Stone.

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If clinton caught osama like he should have back in the 90s, we wouldnt be having this war. :D

As far as McCain being like Bush, is that only because he wants to finish the war and not just leave the Iraqis hangin? You really think its a good idea for us to just drop and leave Iraq? I do think it will take a long time for Iraq to reform and change its ways, but we need to atleast guide their new government so it doesnt fall apart again.

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I agree with Tom on one part, there is huge potential in solar power. Too bad we don't have near the technology to use hardly any of it, solar panels are so inefficient it's not worth it at this point. So until we have a better way to use solar, I'm going with nuclear.

And George Bush will be linked on several sites right now because he's the current president. Wait 50 years and do the same search, you'll probably get the current president again, just by the way search engines work, and that there are always large numbers of people who dislike the president.

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This war was never about Osama, please educate yourself.

McCain is a lot like Bush for many reasons:
- Policy on iraq: we need to at least start the process of getting out of iraq instead of murdering their people for generations more. When the British were on US soil it took an american revolution to kick them off. Is that what we are waiting for with iraq?
- Economics: He has stated that he has no expirence and no answers to our failing economy.
- Public Speaking: He freezes and mumbles just like Bush every time someone gives him a simple question, or a heckler heckles away at him. Except he has often been called a hot head, swearing at other senators, citizens and leaders. (from ABC News).
I can keep going but im busy at work.

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Did you just compare our occupancy of Iraq to the American Revolution? :rollinglaugh: One is an ill-fated effort against terrorism, the other was the thirteen colonies fighting against Great Britain for independence because of laws and taxes being imposed on them. Ever heard of the Declaration of Independence? Get a clue.

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He has similar views because hes running under the republican party... Alot of his views are quite different than Bush though, thats why at first he didnt know if he was going to run under the Republican party.

So please list the reasons Obama is better than McCain please.

And the war was/is about terrorism. Osama and Iraq fall under that category. I seriously believe there were WMD, but they were sent to other countries like Syria before we got over there. Think what you want, and Ill think what I want.

The world is a better place without Saddam, you cant deny that.

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They can reapply for a new operating license and they can continue producing energy.

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I agree the world is a better place without Saddam, BUT SADDAM IS DEAD!!!
If you truly believe we were there for WMDs and to kill terrorists then why are we not in Zimbabwe or in Darfur what the US calls GENOCIDE!! Fuck your belief we are in Iraq to kill terrorists. We went there to protect the oil! If we went there for humanitarianism then there were places elsewhere which deserved our help much more. If we would have declared war on Sudans government Bush's approval rating would be through the roof, hell i think i would even be supportive of his efforts.

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Once again you start with the conspiracy theories. Good show, Tom. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. We're in the here and now, not the past. This isn't about Bush and his fucked up policies.

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Who is the flip-floper now straight talking biatch. If republicans win this comming election our govt. is a sham!

A republican is a republican, bush is part of the same party as mccain, how would electing mccain be any different then electing bush for 4 more years?

And the WMD's were never found. It was also proven that intelligence was altered/created to make it look like their were WMD's in Iraq so we could go to war to make Cheney and Halliburton billions of dollars. Bush's administration can be considered terrorists themselves, they caused the deaths of and estimated hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians in their quest for the almighty dollar.

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Hahaha tinfoil hats!

You do realize we have a democratic senate, and when it comes down to it, they have more power than the president, right?

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I dont think they know that. Tin foil hats for everyone!

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HA! If the CIA wasn't involved in giving millions of dollars and training to the Afghanis who have now become al qaeda to fight the soviets in the first place then none of this would have happened! People, our govt. is responsible for everything that is now happening, wakeup! Why were we even fighting the soviets?

And leaving iraq would be stupid! were still in korea.

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OMG, please tell me you're joking.

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A democratic senate that was given evidence that was altered, like I said. Come on, everyone was pressured into going to war, I think 1 person said no to war in the senate. Ah, and the president can declare a state of emergency and go to war without senate approval, what are they gonna do once the pres has already dropped bombs, pull out?

And I am not making up the evidence alteration, I watched a documentary on history channel about all of this.

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Ever been stabbed in the back by a "friend"? Truth of the matter is you have to trust someone and sometimes you get screwed. At the time it was the best option available b/c we were trying to prevent the spread of communism.

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I am not joking, CIA gave millions to afganis to fight russia, then we left them hanging, they got pissed and now we are dealing with the aftermath of our decisions.

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And capitolism is better? I'm not a commie but capitolism doesn't have all the answers either.

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Welcome to reality! There are consequences, good and bad, no matter what actions are taken. Decisions are only as good as the information we have to make them and sometimes they end up being wrong. Overall, I thanks the government and military for what it has done to make this country a better place. Had they not, you wouldn't have the freedom to voice your opinions.

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Nothing has all the answers. Trade-offs are a part of life.

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Nuclear power has come along way, the only problem is that new plants cost so much money no one wants to build them. And the fact of the matter is to build one they tax the people, then the people are charged for using their own power plant.

I say we build power plants everywhere for free with money bush grew on a tree somewhere, I mean why can't we just print a bunch of money we don't have right?

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No, that's called your monthly electricity bill.

Learn how the federal reserve works, please.

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[QUOTE=Kracka;247448] Decisions are only as good as the information we have to make them and sometimes they end up being wrong.QUOTE]

I love america too, but for what it was, what is was founded on, not the corporate pig is has become. It seems like more often then not the decisions or govt. is making are wrong or are made for all of the wrong reasons. I mean honestly, why would the bush administration create a war in IRAQ?$$$$, is their anything wrong with this picture. Why are these people running our country? If the Iraq war was created then who knows what the real story behind 911 is.

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I'm just saying it's kind of hard to pay for things in our country when bush wants to make his stupid tax cuts for the rich permenent. I'm not exactly sure how you pay for a war and cut taxes at the same time, oh thats right, you increase your deficit by spending money we don't have. If thats not printing money we don't have I don't know what is.

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Why should the upperclass be taxed at so much higher percentage than the other classes? They've worked for and earned their money just like everyone else.

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How is it fair that a person who makes less then 600k a year has to pay a set percentage of their taxes where as if you make 10 million a year you only have to pay taxes up to 600k? You tell me how that is fair?

I believe 600k was the cut off, I am pretty sure that is the most a person has to pay in taxes. [edit]apparently this statement was false.

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Check the federal income tax brackets.

*edit*
Quick simplified tax bracket table:
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm

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There is a certain point where your taxes don't go to a higher percentage, you still have to pay tax though on money made higher than that. Social security is another story, but regular income tax applies to everything you make.

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I suck when it comes to taxes, thanks slowboy. The rich should have to pay more taxes because their rich, they have more money so to be fair they should be taxed more. Why did I bring up taxes? The real problem is that corporations are moving overseas for cheaper labor and taking govt. income from taxes with them. Their is so much corporate money overseas because they don't want to bring it here and pay taxes on it.

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The rich do pay more taxes b/c they do make more money. "Fair" would be for everyone to pay the same percentage of their income towards tax, our economy has gone beyond that to give the lower and middle classes a break by taxing them at a lesser percentage than the upper class.

We need certain jobs and labor to go overseas, our market demands it.

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How is it fair to tax the rich at a higher percentage? Who's that fair to?

Besides, the rich typically do pay more taxes anyway. Even if they were taxed at the same percentage, they'd still be paying more because of the simple fact that 20% of 10miilion is going to be significantly more then 20% of 30k.

No one? There have already been 6 of our brand new AP1000 plants ordered within the US within the past few months, with who knows how many to come in the future.

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I'll also mention that the AP1000 is a modular design, which will significantly cut down on the site construction time, which also cuts down on the cost. And add in the fact that they designed it to use 80% less piping, 85% less wiring, 50% less valves, 35% less pumps, as well as cutting down the volume of them, yet still producing over 1000MW/hr. The cost of these has gotten a lot better.

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I guess or tax system seems fine, the tax cuts were for the middle class, I believe they raised the backet for people to pay a smaller percentage, none the less that is still less money comming in to our govt.

The more unskilled labor jobs that go over seas, the more pissed off under educated americans are out of jobs causing them to resort to crime. Crime is bad right, why are we promoting it?

And I'm down with new nuclear power plants, my only concern is that they will be putting all of the waste in yucca mountain which is located on a huge fault line. A big earth quake equals a huge natural disaster, Imagine nuclear waste in the ground water.

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Well maybe the uneducated should go to school? Hell that is covered by the government as well if you know how to apply and where to go.

Lazyness and lack of education should not be tolerated.

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what happens when they start sending everyones cubicle job overseas and then it effects you?