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For a 2G, the FP3052 is a great choice since it's a direct bolt-on and kicks everybody's ass. :cool:

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It'll be like Back to the Future; when he disappears there'll be fire in the tire paths and shit, and then he'll find himself in western duels and flyin' around on floating skateboards.

But seriously, I'm not a Honda fan but I will say an H-22 Lude will be tougher at higher speeds, KILLED from a dig, and SMASHED from a low MPH roll, being that you're in 2nd of course, even if it means at like 40-45ish.

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V-tech Wins

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piss huh?

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RSX Type-?

In my opinion, an S is a Type-S. An S2000 is an S2k.............I say again, F*ck K-series.

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Better yet pull the wastegate vac line and say your done on that t2small. You take him easy. But in all respect...6k drop is saying alot for an AWD. I still say baby it out of the hole and tear it up after first. You give that lude some hope. hahaha I go for the big T28 for your setup as is.

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if you don't have upgraded clutch and pressure plate I would stay around 5000 to 5500, but then again you could just slip the shit out of it to built a lot of boost.

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If the kid had to ask, I'm gonna go ahead and agree with Josh here. The kid probably can't turn the boost up to 15psi because his mal-nutrient t-25 can't handle much more than that and his BOV won't work properly :p

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Depends on the race I guess. It was never said they would drag race. Even though that's all that most think about anyways. I'm pretty sure they are though.

Sounds like you should practice a little beforehand (at the track). Then take him on at the track so you have the printout proving who really won.

I'd say it's gonna be close if his buddy knows how to race his Prelude.

Now if they do any twisty work, the Prelude will wax that 2g. Unless it's on dirt, then the 2g will be very forgiving for an inexperienced driver.

It's the one stipulation I put on anyone that wants to race me. I get to pick the track!!!!

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We raced, i got him off the line missed 2nd twice he jumped ahead grabed 2nd got right back up there then we stayed even till like 5th gear his h22 pulls hard he pulled away. O and yah my oil line burst for the turbo at 120mph lots of smoke and the turbo was glowing red no damage just need to replace that line.

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So the prelude won?
Where is my cookie?

Tough luck on the turbo, hopefully nothing is damaged severly.

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So the prelude won?
Where is my cookie?

Not so fast Well we reraced, from a dead stop i
killed his h22. Also you guys arnt going to belive this but i beat a 95 supercharged trans am 5.7 lt1 vortech supercharged yeah hes a kid from my town st. peter, mn he claims it runs 12s i beat him until 110 mph and my talon is stock so im pretty sure i beat him in the 1/4 mile and if you guys dont belive me ask 3speedgsx he was there with his 91 fox body gt mustang

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Something must be off with the TA, since your car wouldn't make it out of the 15's. He probably messed up the launch or something. Nice kill!

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Well his T/A is a automatic, he spun the tires a little bit.

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I choose DSM. Am I too late? I skipped the first 54 posts or what have you.

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Good kill. From roll prelude, from dig, dsm, that was the theory the entire time.

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I did see the race with the Trans Am in person. It's a 1995 Automatic, Vortech Supercharger pushing 6 Psi. He also has 3.73's and BBK throttle body and a couple other supporting mods. I don't know whats up with it, it should run 12's no problem, I have no idea why it's so slow. Then i seen the talon beat the prelude and then i raced with my new car 1991 Mustang Gt 5-speed with a couple non-motor mods done to stiffin the fox up and it was a good race. We will have to rerace to get a clear outcome on whos car is faster. Also how is a car a TALON with 200k and a screwed up tranny even that fast??

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wanna race tha neon lmao :D

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I want to know how a prelude isn't beat by most everything. Seriously, 190 horse and 160 ft lbs. I'm not impressed. I don't care how sweet tha V-TAK is.

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A stock DSM barely has more power and weighs more, hence why the Prelude wins from a roll.

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The prelude isn't fast by any means, but it's a quick little car and somehow it keeps pullin way past redline. Anyways it's Not like a 210hp Car is that impressive either, Or a 225hp car. We are college kids with no money so shut the **** up.

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I suppose the ponies could carry it in the high end, but that's a serious lack of torque. And of course a stock DSM isn't much either. I guess I just wouldn't bother comparing.

And what's with the harshness 3? No need to be rude. I too am a broke as college student. ;) Trying to scrounge enough for a rebuild this winter...

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The thing that you have to look at it with the Honda's is how much power is actually being transmitted to the wheels. Honda has very little drivetrain loss compared to fwd and awd DSM's. The new Civic's are in the mid-90%'s for torque and HP. Their torque curves are very linear as well. A 190hp Honda will put down close to 180hp at the wheels. Where as a 190hp DSM awd will put about 150hp to the wheels. There is your difference right there. Plus, of course, the Prelude weighing slightly less.

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Actually they redid how the Mfg's have to rate HP and found some companies were rating low. Honda was one that was rating a bit high, toyota was WAY high and GM was actually rating a bit low.

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Nobody was rating "high" or "low", testing procedures and rules were changed. Everyone was previously testing within the rules. My guess is, the new procedures favor torque a bit more when calculating HP. Most Hondas lost about 3hp on paper (keep in mind that actual output has not changed)..

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With some losing up to 12 hp.

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Do you guys have a link to something with more info. It would be interesting to read about.

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http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosins...A01-283759.htm

What a shock, the SAE is chaired by a GM tech. The article is very pro-domestic anti-Japanese but there is a tiny bit of good info hidden within.

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Interesting read. So does it seem like the imports tended to upswing the estimates intentionally and the domestics underplayed them as stated or was it more of a method difference?

What do real world wheel dynos say?

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Real-world dynos say exactly the same as they did before, actual power output did not change at all. Basically the SAE closed a few loop-holes in the rules that the Japanese manufactuers were taking advantage of.

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I meant for power to the ground VS stated power? Were the imports showing comparitively weak numbers on the dyno due to over-estimates? Domestics better than expected? In essence, do the old or new stated numbers mean much when it comes to power to the ground?

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Not really since all dynos read differently and each car has a different % of powertrain loss. Its tough to compare results from one dyno to another while still remaining accurate.

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Yeah, I know that. I guess I'm not articulating my question very well. I'm tired.

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I own both those cars and i would tell you staight out that the DSM would take the prelude.

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I raced a Prelude in my old GSX a while back (the later year) and it pulled from me a bit from a roll. When we were at a light it was pretty even (he knew how to launch pretty well). On *paper* these things 0-60 are the same stock, I was running a bit higher boost and I think he had an aftermarket exhaust.

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The day after I got married, I was running around minneapolis returning the audio equipment from my wedding and taking care of shit before leaving town. My car was filled with speakers and amps and whatnot. As I'm driving on Broadway and turn onto University in N minneapolis, some kid in a prelude (newer one) is driving the opposite direction as me. He sticks his head out his window and yells something at me with an angry look on his face. I turn the corner, and he must have turned to, because he then appeared in front of me, and I pulled up next to him at the next light.

"What the hell did you say?"
"I, ahhh, well....like your....uh.....front mount"
"Good, because if you were saying something else, I was thinking I'd have to ask you what the hell your problem is. Since you didn't, we should be fine, eh?" When I meet up with Anna right afterwards, she is laughing like crazy and high-fiving me. Good times!

Anna is in her car behind me and hears all of this, she is giggling, I can see her. The light turns green, and I leave the light briskly, but not more than maybe half throttle. The kid steps on it, and I see him smiling as he catches up to me and starts to pass me. I hear his vtec kick in and realize that he's at WOT. So, I do what anyone else would in a DSM filled with stuff. I stepped on it and briskly put several *hundred* yards inbetween myself and him.

At the next light, he pulls up slowly, ashen look on his face and says, "dude, what turbo do you have in that thing?" To which I reply, "turbo?!? dude, this thing is N/A!" and then take off. :)

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haha! pwned son!

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So what do you call a CL type-S or a TL type-S??