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We actually have had a couple huge threads in the past few weeks regarding engine and suspension setups for someone starting fresh from stock. We give our advice to those who deserve it. Since you know so much about cars and are such a guru, why are you here asking us? I don't think you're understanding the fact that it costs a lot of money to build a car capable of handling 600 hp....I'm talking handling it, which is WAY easier than actually making it. Again, for the 37th time, how much money do you have to spend?

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I guess not enough http://dsmstyle.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif

Im at work and can't search much right now so can you post up the link to those threads

thanks

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I was thinking the same thing too

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If I were you I would start with a very well and heavily built 6 bolt engine, and as much as you don’t like it, you are going to have to get new springs, valves, cams; well lets just say you will need a heavily built head as well. Also as the members were saying, you are going to need a big big turbo, big injectors, big money, some type of crazy fuel setup, DSMlink(or your choice of management),clutch, flywheel, stiff ass suspention, and some other things I am forgetting. Then when you get the whole thing set up in you car and the engine and clutch is all broken in, you will probably launch it, then find out you need new axles, built transmition, and some big ass tires(with 600hp, even all wheel drive spin out), getting to 600hp is allot of work, time, education, and most of all money, and if you are looking to get 600hp, you might as well buy a car with 600hp. You will probably end up spending less money that way. Either way, good luck to you in you adventure to 600hp.

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Whether you know this site or not,
Here's a basic startup sequence guide provided by Buschur.

http://www.buschurracing.com/dsm-stage0.htm

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If you're serious about making 600 awhp, get a second car for a daily driver, like a Honda Civic that wont eat any of your money. The find a place where you can put the car for a long time while you get all your shit together. I do agree with pretty much everyone here, if you weren't such a car noob, you wouldnt have to ask whats needed for 600awhp. I understand you don't want to have to keep "re-buying" parts to get to an ultimate goal. As was already stated, there is a lot of stuff you can get right now while the car is mostly stock that you would need at the 600awhp level.

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LOL ... you guys make it sound harder than it really is

I guess money is my only issue now. I'll just get each thing at a time

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It is very hard, very few who attempt it actually succeed.

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Wow this thread is entertaining.
I take it you want 600awhp on pump as well, on a dd?
If we are talking 600awhp on race gas, on a dyno dynamics dyno pm me and I'll break your heart with $$ figures.
You'll need:
Built 6 bolt shortblock (2.0 or 2.4)
67mm+ size turbocharger or a serious nitrous system
enough fuel to support the above mentioned power levels
drivetrain to support the engine
suspension to support the chassis
brakes to slow the damm thing down

I have 2 customer cars in the stable right now that are near/close to that goal, both have well over $10k in just parts invested. To do it right, to buy it all new, and to have someone install it costs money.

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lgithweight wheels and good tires is another 2 grand. Tiger Paws can be fun to though ;) LOL

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$2000 for nice wheels/tires would be pretty cheap, I'd say you'd be looking closer to $3500.

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And expect to replace the tires often.

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Apparently you missed my point. It's not about wasting money. Sure, you'd save a small amount (in relative terms) by going all at once, but it's not worth it. If you don't learn by doing and just try to go on advice and put together a monster you will end up failing or killing your car and possibly yourself in the process. It doesn't take much money to build a 300-350hp car and much of the stuff can be kept or resold when you decide to upgrade. Then when you spend your fortune on building a 600hp monster you'll know what you're doing, how to handle it and most importantly not blow it up and lose all your money and hard work.

So, seriously, what's $500 lost/used to learn to do things properly when you're going to spend many thousands in the long run.

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What bolt-ons do you have.

If you plan to have anything near that goal, start with some basic mods. Get DSMlink or AEM stand alone. Get a High Pressure (HP) Manual boost controller. Get walboro 255 fuel pump, big injecters, fuel rail, new fuel line, Fuel regulator, FMIC.

3' exhaust, intake I will assume you already have

there is so many options you need to narrow it down for us.

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I just keep the boost down and run 110octane when I want to push 600whp but for DD I'll just keep the boost low so that's the plan in the future.

Any more input from you guys?

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Lots of decals

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I'm still waiting for one of those streetelite stickers

that alone should give me 400whp ...lol...

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Do you want 600awhp on a Dynojet AWD or Dyno Dynamics AWD? There is about a 100HP difference in power there.

Do you want to be a dyno queen or actually go fast?

Here was my recipe:
Stock bore 7-bolt
Block cleaned/honed/decked
Eagles/Wisecos
1G Head
HKS 272s
Crower Springs/Retainers
Big intercooler
Piece of shit intake manifold held together with silicone couplers
Walbro 255 intank + Walbro 255 inline
950cc fuel injectors
Good clutch
AEM EMS
3.5" Exhaust
67mm P-trim turbo
Tial 38mm Wastegate
Terrible 17" hockey puck tires
Power leather interior/carpet/all interior panels/sunroof
Fat guy who can't drive
31psi of boost on VP C16 race gas
10.4 in the 1/4 mile

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Honestly I think there are only 2 DSM's on here that have made 600 whp. You really have no idea what you are getting into. I'll take you for a ride in a 460 whp car and I think you will get a different perspective. I can light up all 4 tires in 2nd gear just stepping on the gas.

You can get close to 600 whp if you take my setup, put on a T67 and upgrade the fuel lines and pump. I haven't added it up, but I probably have $12k - $14k in upgrades into my car.

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JET if you were to sell your Talon how much would you want for it?

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If I were to sell it I could probably get $11k or so for it. I wouldn't sell it unless I got $15k for it though.

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Build/buy everything it will take to make 600hp reliably, then buy the BIG turbo as your last investment. Do all the supporting mods in any order first. Most don't really effect drivability that much. Then throw da BIG turbo on itz.

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And thats with the 2g bubble car right there. HAHAHA

What a great thread. Here is my .02 cents. My car right now is going to be DD/fun car. Ya its a 1gb..I know it break something every other week. Or when I get money.... See what was trying to be said is...the problem is not money. Its the damn car. For starters...you have a crankwalking nightmare under that hood. Then another problem is...your drivetrain might not hold up. Atleast you have a four bolt rearend. We all been around the block...granted we all don't have 600+ hp 4 wheel smoking DSMs. But we know what can and should be done to do that. Yes your problem right now is money. Hell settle for a Big 16g maybe port it alittle. Get that small turbo out of there. Maybe you like what you buy. And yes you have to get a fuel controler for it. And some injectors. So here is the deal you have to start small to go big. Granted yes its a waste of money. But you can always sell your setup to help pay for that bigger one. There will always be a DSMer or some other turbo bound car driver that like a Big 16g to bolt on there Geo Metro.... So there take it as it is. Or start saving and mod your 2gb for 300 to 400hp. You thank us later.... You might like that setup over 600hp and a headache....

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Ok this yingyang retard really needs to stop clouding the board with this crap.
Listen buddy, if you want to be taken seriously then dont come on here and say shit like "I want 600awhp yo, someone tell me how".
Read Nitridrs post very carefully, "two of the cars in the stable are NEAR 600hp, with 10k invested in just parts" Then if you add labor, well good luck.
The statement above and adding your retarded statement of "Budget build" dont go hand in hand.
If its going to break your bank to invest that much into your car, just wait until your dsm breaks, WHICH WE ALL KNOW JUST READING YOUR POSTS THAT IT WILL HAPPEN, Then you will still have money for broken trannys, crankwalked 7bolts, blown diffs, blown turbos (because we know you are going to go to ebay).
Fuck, whats gonna be your next question... "Is it worth it to put VEETECH on my dsm?"
Im sorry if this is a direct flame towards you, but you are too idiotic to fucking post here, now please do us all a favor and go post on tuners so we can get back to talking about non car related shit.

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^ Someone needs to get banned for a few days

Either help or stay out of my thread... very simple!

fyi... I plan to buy scheides's setup and keep the boost low until everything else is beefed up and can handle the full boost.

I know I know what you guys are going to say ..... the itch to up that boost .... I got pretty good self control since I've seen my fair share of other peoples blown setups.

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Who cares what everyone else says. Just go for the goal, that will be awesome when you get there. But i suggest getting a 6 bolt.

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Best of luck....

Mods, get ready to approve a rolling chassis in the classifieds.

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lol ... very funny... NOT!

It's called self control and not upping the boost when everything else can't handle the power yet.

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Be quiet.

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Sure self control until you find out how laggy a big turbo is at low boost. Oh by the way the real weakness in our cars when you get up in high horse power is the transfer case(everything can be beefed up but the transfer case). The best thing to do is to set up a quarter mile time(no not 10sec or faster). That is alot easier to accomplish than 600HP in a DSM. You can tell people you have a 600HP car and than you must back up your mouth. If you run 11sec and have a time slip to prove it than no one is going to question you. Vassil has a good setup and runs consistant 11 sec quarter miles. If you think a 14b is weak. You should ask SlowV. He got some respect from some of the 2G owners and RSX guys in the Twin City area. I know for a fact his 14b power car will walk your DSM right now and he is on a stock turbo. Also 600HP and Daily Driver don't go together. I not trying to be an arse hole but I see people like you come and go with broken dreams. I have a fully built 1G sitting on jack stands in my garage with over 6K invested and I am only aiming at 400 HP. Last note 600HP cars are not that easy to launch. I don't care if you have AWD.

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That's not exactly true these days. There are people building upgrade parts for the x-case and drive shaft yoke. ;)

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noooooooooooo :-(

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hahahahahahaha, more boost withdrawl?

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I'm trying to solve that issue, but I'm probably going to be to late.

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Says the n00b who is getting shit on by all the old members, I got a feeling you are gonna be the first one to go man. Just listen to niterydr, he knows how to build a high hp car, and he did it with 1 more turbo and some more displacement, if it was as easy and cheap as you seem to think it is, he would be making 1200hp on pump and be running 6's or something.

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Hell yes, I think he should just listen to all of us. I thought he would gotten the hint when allot of people on the board are telling him he needs to get realistic with his goals.But I guess not.

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By all means, go for your goal, but what me and all of the old members are saying is that, dont be disappointed when you hate your car because you were moving too fast with a daily driven budget build.
you used to own a honduh didnt you?
Simply take a look at the amount of posts that the members that are telling you to set reasonable goals have, i know it wont mean much to you, but 2000+ posts is not an easy accomplisment and you have to have gained some amount of knowledge to have lasted this long. Set a reasonable goal (not 600+hp) and shoot for it.

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I guess you guys missed what I said. Slowly beef things up before upping the boost.

any tips to give me instead of just plain blah blah blah

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If I have to post it again I'll move for you to get a ban.

The best thing to do is work your way outside in. Start with the drivetrain, suspension, brakes, then motor, then fuel, then turbo/intercooler setup.

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Somebody kill this thread. It's worthless and repetive. Anything useful seems to have been said.

Perhaps the original poster can open a new thread if he has something more specific to ask.