You have the smaller 700177-12 aka HKS GT3037 56-trim 55 lb/min wheel though right? Not the 56-trim comp wheel orginally from the GT35R that I assume we have been talking about. [/b][/quote]
Oh shit, my bad, you're right, I got the 55lbmin set-up. I thought that was the size range we were talking about. Is the FP3065 using the bigger wheel?

Yea, the FP3065 and SC61 use the 61mm GT35R/GT40 comp wheel. The FP3055 probably used the same wheel as in yours.

Good to know, thanks.

I am also going with a 2.4l and a GT56 wheel (SCM61 with TO4S housing) and I am hoping to see full spool at around 3800. The 50 trim is a great pump gas turbo, but the GT56 wheel is nearly identical, but flows more. For the money it is hard to beat a PTE turbo.

What are you guys going to do when you get a 60 trim and you want something bigger or faster? You cant just slap on another "bigger" turbo. Its sad to see all the mitsu and small turbos disapear. Like 10 people up and copied each other on the 2.4 ideas and 50 trims... I think thats oh snap. No one really copied anyone but its all being done at the same time...

I will carry on the 16g tradition. In a slow way too ;)

amen.

I don't really understand what your saying or getting at. The turbo that we refer to as a 56-trim is a fair amount larger than the one commonly called a 60-trim. So a lot of people have already slapped on larger turbos than that. 50-trims and other wheels in that family have been around and popular for a quite a while now as bolt-ons, the old Franks are ancient nowdays. A lot of us went through our 16G phase years ago and wanted more and moved on to bigger setups over time.

Yea they have been around for a while but everyone is jumping at the same turbos at once....

Pretty soon people will put some other engines and turbos in a "dsm" and still say its a dsm. I dont know maybe its just me but alot of this bigger is better stuff just doesnt cut it for me right now... Some of the people dont even go throught the 16g or little bit bigger phase... they just jump into a 50 trim or a 56 trim and think they will run 11s. Its fun to watch though.

Im just saying whats past a 56 trim or bigger than that. Is there an end to turbo upgrades?

People used to try all kinds of wheels and turbo, but it has been proven over time that some turbos just work better, which is why you see wheels like the 50-trim used in so many turbos now.


Well, a 16G isn't a huge step up from a 14B. You don't have to goto one to run 12s. This board probably has a higher per capita number of people who actually ran 12s on the 14B than most. Cher, Adam, my girlfriend and I dunno if anyone else ran 12s and some decent mphs on the 14B. My gf went from the 14B to a 50-trim. A 16G just wasn't a big enough step at the time and a decent 20G is often a bit more expensive then a Garrett hybrid. A 50-trim is a fine street turbo though, it isn't anything that crazy. The 56-trim is quite a step up though, that wheel flows like a T61. Nobody should be stuck between choosing a 50-trim TO4E or a 56-trim GT40, they aren't exactly in the same range. There are atleast 5 good compressor wheels inbetween those 2 sizes that could be used if you wanted something a little bigger than a 50-trim T04E.

There isn't an end exactly. The turbos we use are small compared to what find on bigger displacement cars. The 60-1 is pretty much the starting point for the Supra guys. With more displacement, higher rev ranges, nitrous and new turbo technology people will keep trying to put bigger and bigger stuff on. Doesn't mean we will go fast though.

For me, I started with the 16g and it didn't take long to know I wanted more. I know how much power I want to make and it just doesn't make sense to keep spending $$$ on the "next size larger" turbo over time. Make a power jump that's worth the $$$ spent. Either you want to have a stock to slightly modified car which is easy to drive on the street or you want to go as fast as possible. Some people buy the "big" turbo knowing that their present mod list will not take full advantage of it, but are working to keep adding parts to support it. For me, I never really thought I would need a larger turbo than I have now, but I'm starting to think I'm wrong about that with my 2.4L getting ready to go in.

The main reason people are jumping to 50 trims now is the price. PTE came out with their turbos and now you can get a 50 trim for less than a td06 20g. Why wouldn't you want to go to the 50 trim? It is a little bigger and more efficient. We have so much more available now than we used to, it is crazy. Back in the day the 16g was a decent upgrade because we had a 5 knob SAFC and maybe some 550's on the car.

The EVO B16g is probably the only mitsu turbo I would buy any more. DSM's are all about bang for the buck.

What does that mean? Back in the day is now for me... so ... yea... I just picked up some 550s...

eh i dont know, whatever.

IMO i wouldn't even think of wasting the $$ on a 16G. There is so little to be gained for the $$. For a few hundred more you might as well get a 50 trim or bigger and actually make some real power. Stock motor will take it all day long.

I'd be willing to put a 14b car against a 16g car anyday!!!!

Nick

If you want a good low boost pump gas turbo i'd go for a 60-1 for under 20 psi. @ 16 psi the 60-1 actually made about 13 more whp than my SCM61. 20 psi and up was a whole different game though.

Nick

Well its was cheaper for me at the time to get a 16g than to rebuild a 14b or een get a 14b in good shape... I had no knowledge about forums and I did not meet anyone that new anything about dsms when I rebuilt the engine... so I got a 16g...

Its basically a money game. I dont have money or the time right now to upgrade and such. If I did Id prolly upgrade to. I just find it awkward that alot of people on here in the last 2 months have decided this year Im getting a 50 trim.... or swapping a 2.4 in. Good for them, but everyone having the same setup is kinda oh snap.

Everyone doesn't have the same setup at all. There are a lot more 14b and 16G powered cars around at the moment, doesn't it work the same for them aren't they oh snap by your definition for having the same stuff?

This year is going to be sweet with all the cars capable of hitting 11s and some even 10s locally. I don't see it as a bad thing at all, it is progress and it will only get better.

That's the thing... Alot of people will have similar setups, but not all of them will be fast. I'm sure there's gonna be a bunch of FP3065/SCM61/AGP RS65/whatever you wanna call it turbo- on their cars, some with 2.0's and some with 2.4s. Looking on dsmtalk and on some other boards, theres alot of people with big turbos, but the times that they all range in are everywhere. Ex. There's a guy on dsmtalk w/ the works + a SCM61 runnin 12.4s at 111 mph. Now that's pathetic and I have a feeling some cars around here with owners that have too much extra money will end up being the same way. But there will be some fast ones for sure, and that's always a good thing. Anyhow, I forgot what my point was, but I'll edit when I remember.

Stock stuff is fine (14b 16g) if you dont have anything to work with at the moment... I just think it was oh snap when one person decided to do a 2.4 and then 3 or 4 others wanted to build it up to. Its always the bigger the better around here and I think thats rediculous. same with the 50 trims.

The other thing is what quest said. The times people will pull off will be the differnce in what people are really doing. some will be slow some will be fast... I gaurantee that alot of them wont make it to the 10s or 11s only a couple. Ill keep my opinions quite though cuz this is way off topic I guess.

Slowness is ok though cuz Im among them :)

Im done with this for now.

I totally agree Mike, it is going to be a really exciting year! A 50 trim really isn't that big of a turbo any more.

Peter, you want to carry on the 16g tradition. Maybe others want to start a 50 trim tradition? Is that a bad thing? Things are always going to progress, that is just the way it is.

Yea thats fine they can, Im sure ill upgrade sooner or later but not now... I dont want to make it a tradition or anything though.

Boy Im like the bad guy on this site, Ill just have to be quiter for a while.