Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM at Jake Vogel's shop
 

Mo... Found some pictures Cameron took last night:

http://vogelperformance.com/cameron/8.jpg
http://vogelperformance.com/cameron/9.jpg

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM at Jake Vogel's shop
 

Yeah, he sent me those pics. Unfortunately there is nothing there that triggers if that is the same one I gave or not. I was hoping there would be some chipped teeth or something I could point to to say it isn't the same one, but it just looks like a center diff..

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

Thank you to everyone involved for keeping this thread above the belt. When parts come from 3-4-5 different people it becomes a mess very quickly. Please keep things on the up-and-up!

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

Video of end play from the center diff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ALW-U3GQDc

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

Is everyone sure that it was shimmed correctly? If its the same one that came out it would be fine to go back in 99% of the time. But from another tranny it would have to be shimmed to spec.

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

STI FTW!!!!!!!! =)

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

I had an issue with Mark recently also. He sold my buddy his "Evo 3" head and intake manifold to match it. After getting everything assembled and ready to start the car, I double checked to make sure everything spun freely and I could not get the cams to spin. I tried everything from swapping cams to bleeding the lifters and I also had other people come over to figure the issue out. It ends up he mixed up the cam caps and he said he would not refund the money since I had the head for a couple of weeks and I could have messed it up. I asked him to check other heads he had laying around but he simply just told me he didn't mix them up. This meant all the new gaskets, time, fluids and everything had to be bought again and Mark wouldn't own up to his mistake. He did offer to take everything and swap it into another head, but from my experience you don't just slap parts into other heads. Now prior to this I had nothing but good transactions with him and went to him for a lot of parts. But I felt this was just a slap in the face and I will NEVER be dealing with him again.

OP good luck getting this resolved. I hope you figure it all out. I had to share my recent experience with him as I feel it's somewhat relevant.

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

had one.... went dsm FTW

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

not sure at all, and now i really dk how to know if it will be?

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

Are you sure the transaxle case adapter is still tight up to the transaxle case? I have had the transaxle case adapter break free of the transaxle case when taking the input shaft and intermediate shaft lock nuts off.

It the video the transaxle case adapter looks like its in contact with 5th gear. For how loose that is in the video there would have to be no shim, worn/bad bearings, if the two housing are tight.

And from what I recall its a difference in the 5th gear hub/slider from a early 1g to the late 1g and into the 2g they switched to use the cast iron 5th/rev shift fork. I am not sure but I would guess the 5th/rev shift rails are different also.

Any time I install a 4 spider center diff its easy to look inside to see all 4 spider gears.

Also at that point why not check the center diff end play per the factory manual and tell us, it was X off?

As for the Evo 3/4th gears check out this page, there is a lot of good DSM tranny info.
http://www.jackstransmissions.com/pages/tech-articles

You will notice the EVO 3 and 4 gears have 4 holes for tabs off the double synchro, it is easy to look in from the side of the gear set and see if there at tabs going down into the 3/4th gears. If they are not present its not an evo 3 or 4th gear.
http://www.jackstransmissions.com/pa...-synchro-rings



~John

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

Im waiting on marks side of the story on this one its not looking good that he hasnt responded. Mark sold me a wheel bearing/ hub and when it arrived it was obviously a bad wheel bearing at the time i didnt care about causing a fuss about a $30 used part. then My buddy derrick bought an oil filter housing from mark through my paypal and when that arrived its threads where stripped out. I just felt that he sold parts without checking them out really good. but that tranny looks like a hot mess

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

Mo is checking his other transmission today to see if he gave me the wrong diff. I talked to mark on the phone last night, he said he'll put it back together for me if i want. He said the reason it was still dirty inside is because the "hot tank only gets so much". He didn't say why he put the wrong shift fork in but i'm just trying to focus on getting every thing straightened out and fixed.

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

F' that. Kick his ass!!!

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

Honestly, I spent $560 on the evo gears, I gave mark $850... $300 was for the 4 spider(to Mo), $350 was for parts out of the 1g TRE and $200 was to assemble it.

I would probably be happiest if Mark gave me the $200 back since it wasn't assembled properly. THEN i could take that money and pay a transmission shop to assemble it and shim it properly.

What if mark puts it back together again and it's not shimmed properly and it grenades on the inside again? Who's going to pay for the parts? If mark could give me some sort of warranty on his work i would be fine with that but if he can't id rather pay a transmission shop

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

This is the territory you enter when you have a buddy do stuff on the side. I say let mark fix the problem and then you get what you pay for on a cheek job, or just walk away and send it to shep like you should have in the first place.

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

You are retarded. You could of bought a new/rebuilt trans from any of teh 3 big names in the business.

Not only did u spend more money, you even did more work and spent more time on this shit deal.

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

You really did get hosed on the deal. I would never trust a local (aside from shops) to build anything for me. I would've bought a big name trans instead of waste time and money dinkin around. If Shep's trannys break anyway, why would you have someone of lesser knowledge build one? Anyway you look at it, it will break again.

In any case, I'd ask Mark for the money back. Sell all your trans parts but the evo gears, send them to Shep, TRE, or Jack's and have them build it.

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

Apparently... Shep charges $300 for assembly. Send everything in a box and you're set. Thats the route i would go.

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

Good luck trying to get any money back from Mark..

Re: SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)
 

Good luck getting your money back. You should just throw that tranny threw his window. I got a tranny from mark and it lasted 2 miles. He said it was good. I didn't bother to piss and moan about it. I figured he would make it in a bs match. I wouldn't buy anything from him. Everything he does is hack job.