Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

2G MAS is good up to around 50lbs/minute unhacked, and around 60lbs/minute hacked. Or, high enough to support around 400-500 HP with the proper tuning. Don't forget about FakeMAF for you DSMLink guys!

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

OK. I'm running 40-45lbs/min right now on my unhacked, and will be running hopefully in the mid 60's on the new setup. I'd prefer not to hack it, so I think first I will try it unhacked with the FakeMaf, and if it works just leave it at that. But if I notice issues, then I'll try it hacked and see how that works. And decided which of the 2 setups work best for me.

Or hopefully they will have the speed density compatibility by then.

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

Hack it.

DSMLink compensates for it very well, after idle and part throttle there is very little, if no difference in readings.

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

Is this the compensation you used? This is what comes out of the manual and is what someone posted up on te site. I guess it's a bit generic in saying that these settings are for a hacked 2g mas. But hacked to what point? Just the 2 side honeycombs? The sides and the bottom?

http://www.dsmlink.com/forums/attach...1&d=1190142166

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

The base adjustment in DSMLink for the hacked MAF are for both sides and bottom removed. It worked really well when I ran my hacked 2g MAF. Felt like it was stock.

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

Quit it, you're getting me all excited. :sex020:

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

Doesn't take much does it?? :biggrin:

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

After shaking my teeth out with a 1500 rpm idle, the word stock brings tears to my eyes.

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

WOW, what kind of messed up maps were you running? :hah:

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

I have a brand spankin new evo Maf if anyone wants to buy it.

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

My idle is only 1200 RPM with the AEM. When is V3 supposed to come out, any clue yet?

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

I dont think anyone knows (including Tom Dorris) when V3 will come out. I know it is really anticipated. But they have a huge list of things to do for this version upgrade, including possible boost control, MAF translator, and a million other things.
I spoke with Tom Dorris over email because i needed to upgrade to V2 and i asked him if i upgrade to V2 is V3 gonna come out next week, and he replied with "If V3 comes out within the next month or 2 i will give you a free upgrade, that is how confident i am that it wont be coming out." LOL
I think they are pretty far out still, but who knows, i know they released some screen shots of the new version, it looks a million times better.

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

I don't know why you aem guys have such high idles.
Hell my stealth idled at 900 with agressive cams and no IAC motor, most aem cars I tune idle like stock, if not better.

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

Yeah, my car with AEM idles at 900rpm. I was wondering the same about Steve's and Jet's cars. I guess I am running the now tame HKS 272's so that may be a part of it. But still, with some work, the AEM has great idle tuning functionality.

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

It's mostly my own doing. I had the poly engine mounts all around, so anything under 1000 rpms shakes me like a blender. Plus I have a 75mm throttle body with no IAC hooked up, just my right foot. And finally the slightly higher idle just helps with a twin disk since they are a bit touchy at stoplights. Now I'll be putting on a IAC motor on it if I can't get it to idle nicely with the link. Plus I'm replacing two of the mounts with stock rubber. I want it to be a bit more streetable, it's getting there as we speak.

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

Anything that smoothes out the idle and provides a little tunability and more flow than stock(gm maft) is a worthwhile upgrade to me. And if it's too much money for that, you should get a better job! ;)

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

Yeah, I have a 75mm Tbody with no IAC as well. I think your main issue is the motor mounts and the twin disc. I have the front and rear filled with the 3M stuff, but the sides still stock.. nice and smooth.

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

My experiences:

GM MAFT on 95 Talon: I think I had one from the very first batch. A local BUICK GN guy hooked me up with one (they first came out for the GNs), I know I was sent a couple different chips a couple times to bring it more up to date in the beginning. VTA worked well and I ended up zeroing it out and just tuned it with dsmlink. Overall it worked pretty well but I don't know if I needed it on my setup. I could start to see their popularity waning on message boards so I sold it while I could still get a grip for it. I really didn't need it on my turbo at the time so the money I got for it I used to buy a set of cams. I went back to the 2g MAS and figured I'd do the fake maf/maf clamp in DSMlink.

2gMAS on 95 Talon: Current setup with DSMLink, MAS has not been hacked. I love it, takes a lot of the thought process out of tuning, car is much easier to tune with DSMLink. I have many logs at around 54-55lbs per minute without any breakup. I have to be at the edge of this MAS, when I get it on the dyno soon I will have Shane turn on the MAS clamp in dsmlink around 2550/2600hz or so. I hit 54-55lbs per minute at around 27psi on my pte3561e.

Evo MAS on 06 IX MR: Well I have it in my current EVO and won't be messing with it, I imagine the car is flowing over 40lbs or right around there as this thing is pushing 350HP/350tq on a DynoDynamic. I have seen the screen get sucked in by these things on other evos though they were making at least another 75hp+ than my setup. Whenever I decide to upgrade my turbo I may think about putting a 2gMAS in if someone doesn't find a way to keep the honeycombs from getting sucked in.

I'm old and lazy these days and like a car I can hop in and it will start, idle and drives decent, basically I can't put up with some of the shit I used to. I like using the stock MAFs overall, driveability is better, better idle, simple, and cheap. The GM MAFT setup works but takes a bit more to setup correctly, 2GMAFs are quite capable and a bit easier to use IMHO.

Jim

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

Yep, those are going in this week. I like the twin disk though, that stays. :banana:

Re: 2G MAS vs EVO MAS
 

So who's got a 2G mas for sale?