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I really need 9mm ammo. But iam not willing to pay 50 cents a round. I hope this ammo deal settles down fast.

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I got 900 rounds of 9mm 2 weeks ago for $.36/rd. There are still some good deals out there, you just have to keep a close eye out. They sell out really fast, gunbot is your friend!

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I am ready to buy a hand gun, wot. The main issue is the demand for them atm is high.

I have shot a few different styles: composite S&W 9mm and 40 s&w, a few different 1911's 22lr, 45 acp, a few different Walter P's, Glock 10mm, a few different SIG's, and a 357 magnum, and a few others.

I have to say I like the SIG the best, if feels right, fits nice in my hand even for a single stack, and I like the controls.

So the few guns I am looking at: SIG 229 in either 9mm or S&W 40, H&K P30/P30L/P2000 in 9mm or S&W 40, and the odd ball a Springfield Armory XD9.

I like the 9mm for mag size and cost of ammo, but as of late 9mm is hard to come by, and I like the extra stopping power of the 40... I suppose after my permit to purchase goes threw it will be more of a mater of whats available.

I think the XD9 would be a good carry gun then look into a SIG/HK further down the road.

~John

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SIG229's are double stack, 15 rounds if you're going 9. They're nice. Have you shot one drawing from a holster or tucked in your belt? The double action to single action is hard to get use to. Same with the P30 unless you get the model with a safety and carry it 1911 style, cocked and locked.

I have zero experience with an XD, though. If you want to try a Glock 19 (compact 9mm) you can come to where I shoot in New Hope and try it out.


Also, all of the firearms you listed aren't hard to get anymore. I was at Bills yesterday and they had all of what you mentioned.

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I was in Capra's in Blaine on Friday and they had a ton of stuff in stock too. I would recommend renting the gun you are thinking about at Bill's before you commit now that things are calming down again. If you want something small an LC9 like AJ has might work good or I have the next size up, the Ruger SR9c. It is still thinner than most compact 9's by 1/4". Do a lot of reading, nothing is perfect, but some have more major issues than others.

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Love my XD9 subcompact.

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I would take into consideration what's the main purpose of the gun. Is it going to be a home defense gun or a carry gun? Home defense I'd say you're fine with a full size of any caliber you choose. If it's a carry gun you'll probably want something lighter and more compact. I carry a Glock 36 with an extended mag. It's a single stack .45acp. I went with the 45 cause it has plenty of stopping power plus is a slower moving round and less likely to go through and through.

I've owned a couple sigs they are awesome guns you can never go wrong with a Sig. I agree with jet. Rent a bunch of guns and try them out before you buy one. That's what I did before I bought my Glock. Also if you want to give my Glock a whirl you're more than welcome too.

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Thanks for the advice, at the moment I am thinking home defence. But I am still throwing around the idea of a CCW.

I think a double stack or wider gun fits my hand better, but bulk is a concern for CCW.

If I go SIG I will just hold it and buy it, no need to rent.

I plan to rent a H&K and a XD9 or similar with CCW in mind.

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For my ccw I really like my s&w m&p compact .40. 10 round mag.

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People worry too much about size when carrying. It is easy enough to hide a fullsize doublestack pistol on your person and be very comfortable.

It's all about the holster.

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Ryan and I went to Bills and rented a H&K p30 v3 40s&w.

Man this gun for a 40 shot like a 9mm for me, just a little more kick but not bad.

So I put money down in a H&K p30 v2 40s&w with the LEM trigger with 2 13 round mags.

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Went up to Goodhart's place in Isanti yesterday and did some shooting. It was a good day. Mike's dad's AR is pretty fun indeed. Looking forward to putting my own AR together tomorrow.

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Very nice. I also set up my CCW class for later this week.

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Got a new scope dialed in and a foregrip.

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Ruger MKII, super accurate pistol. .22lr obviously. Kinda nice they both use the same ammo.

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Car is about 60 yards away, 10x50 Scope.

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I think I need a bipod, I get too much sway when I try to shoot anything more than 25 yards away lol. Don't mind the straggler on the left :p

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Bills, circle pines, all the way back. 50 yards. This is the small target by the way, 10x10" paper.

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The FedEx man stopped by about 30 minutes ago with my upper from Palmetto State Armory! Finally! Put it all together and you get...

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I guess it'll just be pretty to look at for now, no money for .223/5.56. Oh well, I'll get to shoot it this summer I guess. Pretty happy with it though, building my first AR wasn't nearly as hard as I thought.

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I picked this up tonight after work, and I have my CCW cert. I think every employee at Bills had to play with the gun, there like dam a p30 with the LEM trigger, a must have. I am itching to shoot it, I have a free lane rental for 2 people, plus free gun rental good for when ever. What to rent now is the question.

I picked up a electric drawer safe, so when the gun is not on me it will be secure, and easy to access.

It came with 2 13 round clips and the grip is adjustable, small medium and large side panels and back straps, I think I am going to run the large side panels and small back strap, we shall see what works best for me.

Also H&K sends a spent shell casing with the gun, its the test shot for the gun.

I asked the guys if there was a break in period for the gun, and he said "just shoot the crap out of the gun, clean it after a few hundred rounds if you want."

~John

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Very nice!

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What to rent? Desert eagle 50cal lol. The judge is fun to rent or a nice 1911. Or if they still have it to rent a scar 16s. That was a lot of fun to shoot!

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I just went to Joe's Sporting Goods off of Rice St and 36, and they had some 5.56 PMC X-Tac, 20 for $8.99, 2 box limit. Good deal. Also had G.I. 30rd AR mags for $20 each, and Thermold AR 30 and 20 rd mags for $10 each.

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A few new rimfire acquisitions in the last weeks


Henry .22 Levergun from local pawnshop

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And a Ruger MK II Target from a friend of a friend.
Stainless, 10" bull barrel and upgraded grips

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Added a red dot right and magnifier on a swing out mount.

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NICE!!! what did that combo set you back? if you dont mind me asking?

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Rented some .380s at Bill's with the lady. We liked the Smith and Wesson Bodyguard over the Ruger LCP.

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Picked up 80 rounds of 556 62 grain. Been trying to find some non 55 grain for my gun. I want to try some 75 grain even at some point. The 1:7 twist demands it!

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Just shy of $300 all said and done.

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Some late night ammo ordering.

Bought a few different kinds of match grade ammo, want to test higher grain counts got a few 69 and 75 ones.

I am ready to go shooting soon, who else is in :) Next weekend we should have a day!

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I hope to go shooting this weekend at my parents' house, need to fix the extractor and hopefully the scope on my .308. Otherwise it's scope shopping time! I really don't understand why a good scope costs 10x as much as a cheap one, surely they can't cost that much more to make?

Murlo, what kind of ammo did you get? Once I get mine fixed I want to do a side by side comparison of my surplus 7.62 vs Federal match 168g vs Winchester match 168g. Funny thing is the federal and winchester both use the Sierra King bullet, just different casings/powder.

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I bought some Winchester ranger match 69 grain stuff and Prvi Partizan 75 grain stuff.

We shall see how they do.

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What does that stuff cost a round? I think my Winchester ranger match was about $1/each, kind of sucks.
Let us know how they do. Do you have a scope or anything (thought you gave GH his acog back), or iron sights? What range are you going to be shooting at?

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The ranger stuff was like 1.50/rd I think, I think it was 30ish a box, I only bought one. I just want to try heavier stuff in my gun.

No scope, straight irons :) Money spent on car stuff, I think I am going to pick up an EOtech in a few months.

No idea on the range, just want to shoot it, been a while.

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It does cost that much more to manufacture.

Ever shopped around for camera glass? Same thing with firearm glass, but high end scopes have to sustain recoil, drops on the ground, being banged around HMMVs all day, etc. What you pay for in a high end scope is ruggedness, clarity and in-spec turrets. A lot of the low end scopes turrets are actually way off. 1/4 Moa advertised might actually be 1/3. First focal plane vs second also has a huge effect on cost. Same with etched glass.

The Viper PST line is by far the best bang for the buck IMO.

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Also, when you say "just different casings and powder" makes it sound like not a big deal. FGMM actually weighs and keeps VERY close tolerances for their brass. If you look at used brass, you'll see a huge difference in what surplus, FGMM and especially Lapua brass will net someone.

Powders act the same way as fuel in our cars, different flame fronts, burn times, pressure, etc. All of them have a huge effect on the consistency of your grouping.

I had Federal Fusion 165gr shoot a .317" group at 100 yds. I can't remember what 168 FGMM did but I remember it was worse out of my rifle. Conversely, we used the same box of FGMM 168 in my friend's accuracy international ae308 and I did a .214" group at 200 yds.

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Those look pretty nice, I like the 6-24x50 model. What is the difference between the first and second focal plane? It is about in the price range I was looking for, I might check out Bushnell too because I can get a discount on trade in for my broken one.

I didn't mean to say those things aren't important, I just thought it was interesting they used the same bullet.

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First focal plane reticles zoom in and out with the magnification. This is useful for ranging targets with hash marks and math. It's also useful because no matter what magnification you're at, the hold overs are the same value for wind and elevation.

Second focal plane is most useful for 600yds+ target shooting. The reticle always stays crisp and doesn't change. This is the type of scope most people are familiar with.

Rifle intention dictates what you should use. If you may be going after moving targets (varmit, deer, etc.) I like the FFP. If all you're doing is bench shooting I prefer the SFP.

You can do both with either type but one is easier for different things. I like to use hold overs instead of dialing turrets, so I tend to gravitate towards FFP.

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I would be down for about 5pm on Sat. I get done with work at 4:30 and need to break in my 9mm still!

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I may be free as well JET, kinda depends on how far along I am with class work.

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Thanks, that is cool. I've never had a nice scope before, so I'm not used to high end features or good glass. Having the MOA marks always be accurate will be nice for ranging targets more quickly.

I'm actually thinking about the 4-16x now instead of the 6-24x. I'm not going to be shooting over 400yds very often, and even at 1000yds the 16x zoom would be like shooting at 60yds with no zoom which isn't bad at all.

I was home this weekend and was talking with my dad about scopes, The Vortex Viper FFP was his second choice, he ended up going with an IOR Valdada FFP because he could get one in 42mm instead of the 50mm. He wanted a lower center because he doesn't have an adjustable cheekrest and thought the 50mm would be a little too high up. The only problem is it's in MRAD instead of MOA. Not a big deal but not second nature to think in metric.

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IOR Valdada scopes are also really nice. They're a bit heavy but use the same glass as Zeiss so the clarity is amazing.

I like Mils / MRAD much more than MOA. Since everything is multiplied or divided by 10s, it makes the math much simpler.

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Impulse buy today! Kind of...going to be my carry gun eventually.

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It's a Walther PPQ M2 9mm...it felt so good when I picked it up I had to buy it. Got 350rds of 9mm with it too so I will go run 100-200 through it to break it in.