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With the tubular mani 400whp on pump sounds possible, but it won't be easy. We haven't seen enough setups like this to say for sure though...so who knows.

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I'm assuming when he gets S2s in there that they'll outperform my MX1s.

If I end up pulling my motor a year from now then that little error will get corrected. It'll also give me some time to let other people spend their money to figure stuff out. I can't afford to be a trendsetter anymore. heh.

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http://i.imgur.com/LbyM3.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/wwClg.jpg

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I spy three n00bs. Nice progress again, and as for being a trend setter/first to do something, it's not about the cost and time it takes, it's about knowing you were the first to do it. I love that feeling. :D

Cliff notes: put a carbed v8 in it.

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Is that a terrorist? Oh wait wait, it's just Spaz :)

:D I keed I keed.

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Lookee what showed up today :)

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3569.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3572.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3576.sized.jpg

Stock LICP kinda hangin there but it lines right up and is juuuust shy of 2.5", probably about 2 3/8" OD and flows very nicely:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3583.sized.jpg


Also, found this chunk of lead behind where the FMIC mounts, it seriously must weigh almost 7 pounds. Goodbye! :D
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3574.sized.jpg

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My lead weight is sitting in my garage...wait no, the basement, lol. I think it was there to try to maintain 50/50 weight distribution as best as possible, screw that!

Oh, nice FMIC! Looking sharp :)

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LOL!

I was told on another board that we need to stop having Chuck Norris jokes and instead have jokes about things hidden in my beard. :rollinglaugh:

No Shave November is almost done so I'll attempt to improve that situation as soon as it ends.

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I'm going to do weight reduction as one of my last projects, so good to know.

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sweet i have this week off work if you need hand sometime, i need to start getting out of the house for winter.

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I'll be in Florida With family till next tuesday, go nuts!

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lol, back in the day, they didn't need to add weight to make the car equal weight front to back. Crazy, modern manufacturing techniques.

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Off-topic for this thread, but scheides' old BBK is looking good on E85.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/service...-toxicfab.html

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Next Tuesday is here :)

I see you are on the forums...hopefully epic updates!

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That is so badass! I love that mrfred has my old turbo. Great numbers for only 27psi too!

Indeed it is. A week with Anna's fam was a good break that I really needed. Drank, ate, and relaxed on the beach, Sanibel Island is pretty damn nice for being 'only' florida! Saw some lambos, ferraris, and endless porsche's up close and ripped around in a bitchin grand marquis (3+3 seating and a 4.6L V8 son!.....a 220hp v8...le sigh). Check out this huge bird that swooped down and wanted a sip of my dunkin donuts coffee...he just chilled there for 10+ minutes:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/flori...0247.sized.jpg

The new Kelford cam is in, I'm swinging up to DB tomorrow night with my cam cap to make sure it slides on easily, then back home to keep movin. If the cam doesn't fit, I'm not sure what I'll do. I have several days of fiddling around to do either way, but I'm not ruling out putting the stock cams back in, returning the kelfords all together and ordering an aquamist kit w/ the cash. S2's or a set of the kelfords can go in next spring if I'm feeling soucy :P

Head is coming off, I will be putting in the little screen thing and re-torquing it with a fresh headgasket, that also comes in tomorrow.

I'll post more info when I get it!

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Dumb question, but why wouldn't the cam fit?

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Where the cam cap goes over the cam, one of the journals on the cam is machined to be 'snug' to (I assume) keep the cam in alignment. I can put the cam cap on my stock cam and it slips right on all the way, but on the original kelford it only went on about 80% of the way and got tight, then at 90% it'd nearly bind, and when torquing them down the cam couldn't even be turned over :(

Hopefully the new cam will fit just right and this sillyness can be over. I want my car back!

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After what happened on my cap, I'd be nervous at that point. :)

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CAMS ARE HERE!

So here's a pic of cam cap #3 sitting on top of the first cam I got. Note how it doesn't quite sit down all the way on the cam:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...1556.sized.jpg

Thanks to Shane at DB Performance for helping me get this sorted so quickly! He measured the new cam when it came in and was doubtful it would fit...so I brought the cam cap up with me and it slid right on! It was hard even for several sets of calipers to decipher the difference, so who knows...maybe it was out of round or something?

New cams:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...1560.sized.jpg

Got home, slapped them in immediately:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...1562.sized.jpg

Enjoy them in there because they're coming right back out, time for some math!
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...1564.sized.jpg

The 4b11t has buckets that sit on top of the valvesprings, then the cam sits on top of the buckets, like a honda. You put the cams in, measure all 16 clearances, then take them out, measure all of the buckets that are out of spec (with the new cams, springs, valves, ported head, its not surprising!), then figure out if you either want to rearrange all of them and try to make them fit, order new ones, or a combination of the two.

I was able to bring all but 3 of the intake valves into spec (.008" +/- .001"), and the other 3 are only another .001" out of spec on the loose side. I would almost feel comfortable running them like this buuuut the exhaust side was just a mess. One had a gap of .003". The spec on that side is .012" +/- .001 so it was waaay out of spec.

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...1565.sized.jpg

So after some extra time with the outside micrometer, shop manual, I had to choose between 47 different tappets to order, all are stepped up about .0006" from each other (.005mm). The ones that were far off I ended up ordering two tappets each, just to be sure I don't have to wait for extras. At $8.50 a pop this was another quick $100+ down into this thing, but this *should* be the last thing I need to put everything back together! I paid an extra $20 to get them overnighted so its gonna be head down this weekend and see how far we get!

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I dealt with those buckets on a friend's Focus, worst fucking idea in the world.

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Looking good! Crazy how much work it is to do the cams on an X!

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Yeah, I'd obviously like a set of S2s now that they've proven themselves but for what the install would cost...it's probably not worth the few hp.

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My motorcycle has a shim-in-bucket setup like that, and I need to pull it apart cuz the front cylinder has developed a little bit of a tick. I'm not looking forward to it.

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They have been put off till infinity now it seems, so don't lose any sleep over it! First it was last week of November, then Dec 22, now I hear Jan 24th. Sigh, at least I got some kelfords that fit! I can't wait to fire this thing up.

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Swap in a 4G63.

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Pulled the head off tonight, got the turbo sorted, manifold mounted to the head, stupid oil filter in the block, and the head back on the car, torqued to 92ft-lbs. Fiddled with a few other things and just called it good. Thanks for the hand tonight Rosey!

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...lter.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...fold.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-..._car.sized.jpg

Now the bad news. *one* of the tappets I need is on backorder, but the warehouse waited until too late in the day to call brookdale back to inform them this, so I tried to order the other two that I need, but they cannot be here till monday. Once the new tappets come in I'm going to see what I can do rearranging stuff but Gosh, DB, and MAP no one has this size tappet. Boo.

Todo list is getting smaller than the list of stuff done finally, I'd love to fire it up this weekend but I might just have to do everything but the cams, sigh. Stupid tappets make me want to stabby stab! Fingers crossed for a miracle.

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Sorry to hear

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Glad to help out! We made some good progress tonight. Hopefully some major luck happens with the tappets.

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Just got done shoveling for about an hour, heat is on and gonna head out to the garage soon! If you're bored, feel free to swing by.

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I don't know that it's the worst idea in the world. Makes it a PITA to work on the head, but at least you don't get lifter tick! Tough some simple screws and lock nuts like Honda still uses would be nice!

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If we cared about lifter tick we wouldn't drive Mitsus.

Scheides put his chain on:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...204_181308.jpg

Besides that, a ton of other stuff got done, this being the end result before dinner:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...204_203514.jpg

Holy shit, that's a complete motor!

Scheides is probably still in the garage doing a few more things, I'll let him post the details when he's ready.
http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...204_181308.jpg

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WOOOOOOOO! Congrats guys!

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LOL thats the timing chain for those that forgot the 4b11 doesn't have a belt :D Spaz, after you guys left I wandered back into the garage 'for a few minutes' until Anna called around 1am for me to come pick her up from her sisters. I looked at the clock and was like holy eff!

Yesterday was pretty epic, this car is going to turn over today. I'll post up later with the full baby-mama-drama story, classic 'goddamn it why does this shit always happen to me' stuff included.

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Awesome to hear dude!

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Shit son that chain is ballin' When you working on it next? Would love to help out if I have the time.

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Headed out to the garage now! Come on over if ya want :D

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mofo, i just got home.
Good luck.

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I hear you need spark plugs in order to start a car... :D

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Oh boy what a weekend! Let me just get this out of the way, I was ultimately thwarted by spark plugs. More on that later. After everything else it is just laughable at this point, but fuk it! I made so much progress this weekend, I'm just pumped. Had to work friday night so got up saturday, put the heater on in the garage and let it warm up. It was about 15° outside, and by the time I finished, later that night it would be a balmy 8°. Snowed a good 6" the night before so I shoveled for a solid hour too, good way to get the blood pumpin!

...and started unpacking all of the tappets, fully expecting to be fubar'd immediately. To my surprise, one of the ones that was not going to be in until monday was in the bag! I took a whack at putting all of them in, and to my surprise, every valve but two was in spec, and one was only out of spec by .001". I swapped a few tappets around and corrected it, and then voila! Happyness! I cheered with glee!

I decided to torque w/ torque wrench to be sure....soon thereafter I swore the 2nd loudest I ever have in my garage. 107 inch pounds is the spec, I need to get a torque wrench that actually reads that low:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...bolt.sized.jpg

Gezus fuk. I then spent a few hours finding a thread repair kit.....only to break another bolt....Rosey and MattD helped me out and ran all over town finding 16 new unstretched bolts to put the cams in with. So yea, nervous time with a drill and carefully covered *everything* on the head, I got things back into happy time funland, and then got the timing chain on :D

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3884.sized.jpg

Was a learning experience, but not too much different than doing a timing belt on a 4G63. Probably easier actually, no balance shafts to bother with! Finally after hours of dinking around, timing and valve cover securely in place! Thanks to spaz and lomker for the help!

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3886.sized.jpg

Damn seems like its ready to fire up? Gah still a ways away. I got back from dinner and headed back into the garage, maybe around 9:30pm? Anna called me to come pick her up from her sister's place, I was shocked to see it was 1am. But, I had the intake manifold and all associated sensors bolted and wired, injectors seated and fuel rail bolted down!

The next morning trevor came to give me a hand. We threw down and put on everything needed to turn the thing over w/ a key & starter and not a wrench and hand :D IC pipes, fuel lines, intake, ecu, passenger axel, filled all fluids, etc.
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3886.sized.jpg

I hopped in and primed the motor with spark plugs out and injectors unhooked. She turned over smooth and easy, I was so proud! I hopped out and snapped this pic, the car ready to fire up. All it needed was spark plugs. Wait, spark plugs!??! OMFG! They were in the head when I gave it to DB and probably set aside during the rebuild. Last time I looked, plugs for the X weren't available anywhere but the dealer, boo. I ended up finding some, but won't be able to get them until tomorrow (monday).

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3888.sized.jpg

Note the spark plug wrench I even got out in preparation to put them in. DOH!
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3889.sized.jpg

To make matters worse, the coolant pipe that runs under the exhaust manifold that I had *specifically* left attached to the water pump assembly so as to not have to replace the gasket....mofo was dripping coolant. Gah! Classic. So instead of losing sleep over all of the problems, I just drained the coolant and dried everything out (yippee had to pull the tstat housing back off too :( ), put some rtv on the gaskets and put it all back together.

I had been purposefully waiting to put some of the suspension and pass motor mount back on in case of other problems, but I figured what the heck, and basically got the car ready to go. Bumper cover on (no crash beam yet, more problems with my angle grinder), all suspension sorted pretty much everything else. All it needs is coolant, spark plugs, and snow tires :)

One last thing actually, I can't get the fourth bolt into the turbo from the manifold. It is a tight tight spot and I am just going to risk an exhaust leak for now to get the car running.

Ready to rock :)
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3893.sized.jpg

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I would like to add to this saying that my computer does not have any worthwhile plug info for the new Lancers yet (all models use the same plug)... But the 2010 NGK book does.

$20 a pop, located in our warehouse, if anybody's looking. :D