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Halon 11-16-2010 07:11 PM

Re: beaterX project thread
 
I'm talking not so much about the track, but more-so about being stuck in 10mph traffic on 35W on a 95* day with the A/C on.

That is where my DSM struggled when it had a 3.5" Garrett core mounted in front of my A/C condenser and Mishimoto radiator. So just curious if that's ever an issue for any of the X's. I'm sure your aluminum block is a little better at dissipating heat than the old 6-bolt iron 4g63.

scheides 11-16-2010 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Halon (Post 366256)
Any close ups of the external fin density/design on that core?

No close-ups but its a standard garrett core--very dense. The difference between dsms and evos is awesome on this point--Evos have a FMIC from the factory. As such, there are huge extra channels for air to flow to the radiator despite having a huge fmic core. Also the fmic is offset lower than the radiator, I think this helps a bit.

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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 366260)
Sounds like a great excuse for a radiator upgrade! lol. Mishimoto makes two and CBRD has a baller one for the X. I have the cheaper Mishimoto and my car has never budged at the track for temps.

Bryan@GST rags on DW and in the last day a guy is trying to blame a blown motor on a pre-release set of the 1500s. My personal experience has been good, both with that set you've got and the 1000s. Those IDs didn't tune for shit.

No radiator upgrade needed at this point. Maybe if I tracked the thing but for now, meh. Saw the guy on the DW1500's, what a dick. Guys like that need to be thrown off the internet.

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Originally Posted by Halon (Post 366261)
I'm talking not so much about the track, but more-so about being stuck in 10mph traffic on 35W on a 95* day with the A/C on.

That is where my DSM struggled when it had a 3.5" Garrett core mounted in front of my A/C condenser and Mishimoto radiator. So just curious if that's ever an issue for any of the X's. I'm sure your aluminum block is a little better at dissipating heat than the old 6-bolt iron 4g63.

Exactly. Same conditions on an evo are never a problem.

turbotalon1g 11-16-2010 09:31 PM

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I'm kinda with B-man on this, and the same reason I'd pay the dough for a ETS core.

I've also heard nothing bad about DW and glad to hear about your good experiences with them, I'm kinda sad I missed their opening day when I was down in OK.

So when is the reassembly happening?

I got treed.

scheides 11-16-2010 09:42 PM

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treed? Hopefully this weekend.

FattyBoomBatty 11-17-2010 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 366275)
treed?

lmao, you obviously haven't drag raced enough.

turbotalon1g 11-17-2010 10:09 AM

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Fricken noobs. I have national guard this weekend, so I'm probably out.

scheides 11-17-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty (Post 366289)
lmao, you obviously haven't drag raced enough.

LOL I missed the context (like most of aaron's post). :P

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 366309)
Fricken noobs. I have national guard this weekend, so I'm probably out.

NBD! I'll have Anna help me if I have to :D

DoughtCom 11-17-2010 11:31 AM

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If you need help this weekend I can definitely lend a hand, let me know sonnnn.

scheides 11-17-2010 11:33 AM

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Check with me or this thread friday night/saturday morning, or just give me a call when you have a spare hour or two--chances are I'll be wrenching on it!

*edit* boo! FMIC won't be in till Monday, its coming from Cali. Will have to forge ahead with everything else till then I guess.

DoughtCom 11-18-2010 06:56 PM

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I'm free Friday night for sure, I'll give you a call sometime tomorrow evening d0g.

scheides 11-19-2010 07:54 PM

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Wooooot baby it's fukn black Friday for scheides!!

Picked up the head from DB Performance and it looks HOT, big valves, nice basic port job, the dings are all fixed and the dual valvespring setup looks pimp. Shane helped me check the clearance on the tappets and half of them were perfect! We went to roll the intake cam over and it would not budge. :( Seems like the cam was improperly machined from Kelford.

http://i.imgur.com/CMvSb.jpg

so, option one is to put *everything* back together with the stock cams and try fire it up this weekend, or wait on the cams and wait further on tappets (I suppose I should check clearances on these either way). Either way Shane is being awesome and has been an insane resourse through this process.

After that I made my way to MAP to pick up the shortblock and gaskets. All I can say is that I am seriously impressed. The everything was actually ready to go at 10:30am today but I wasn't able to make it there until after 5. Engine looks freaking hot, wait till you see the rods. This is a 'stage 1.5' shorty, stock sleeves with their big bad stage2 rods.

http://i.imgur.com/0oQjl.jpg

I have a *pile* of other parts but I just pulled the car into the garage and immediately bailed--night out with the wife to make up for the massive checks I had to write today. If anyone wants to help tomorrow, give me a call or just show up, I will be getting started around 10am (?) and working all day/night untill it's done or I give up. Beer and food provided to those who draw their own blood, bust a knuckle, or get oil in your hair :)

DoughtCom 11-19-2010 08:54 PM

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I'll get oil in your hair if you know what I MEAN. Looks good d0g, I'm still at work was pissed about that until I read you aren't working on it right now. I'll come over tomorrow morning fo sho, not sure how long I can stay but I'll stay for a few hours.

Also I think you should wait on the cams, how long are they out again? That way you're not too rushed this weekend to put it together and you can quadruple check everything, but that's just me :D Knowing everything is bolted to spec and beautiful down the road I think will pay off more than having the car this weekend.

goodhart 11-19-2010 09:08 PM

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Wow, this thing is really moving!! I vote put stock cams back in, gte your money back for them and get this sucker back on the road for now. Like Shawn said, that will give you plenty o' time to triple check everything.

mlomker 11-19-2010 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by goodhart (Post 366654)
I vote put stock cams back in, gte your money back for them and get this sucker back on the road for now.

Bah, you can put the short block and tranny into the car without the head. This is the stupid weekend at work or I'd be there to clean tools or something.

FattyBoomBatty 11-19-2010 09:25 PM

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I'd wait for the big cams, and why don't you tighten each cap a tiny bit so they are on, but the cam turns. Then tighten one cap at a time to see which one binds, then get a dial indicator on that journal and see what the dilly yo is. If it's the cam journal out of round, you should just take it to a machine shop and tell them to make it round, then add "bitch" so they hurry up.

scheides 11-19-2010 10:09 PM

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I know exactly which one is causing the problem. I'll bolt a stock cam in there to make sure everything is still happy but yea, head-on-block and in she goes. Plenty of other people do the rest of the job withthe motor onthe car, I'll just do the same.

http://www.maperformance.com/products/map_EvoX-SB1.jpg

DoughtCom 11-19-2010 10:43 PM

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That pic is s3x

FattyBoomBatty 11-20-2010 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DoughtCom (Post 366668)
That pic is s3x

Its better with lube, and those cylinder walls look a little dry. Lol

turbotalon1g 11-20-2010 07:53 AM

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So u are getting ready to start soon right? I'd be there but I have to serve the country this weekend.

So come on boys get going I want to see this running when i get home!
Good luck let me know if u need amything

scheides 11-20-2010 11:03 AM

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Ugh I got home at like 3:30am from the casino, I'm up but moving slow...makin coffee then heading out to the garage to unpack everything.

rose0529 11-20-2010 11:34 AM

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Wohoo!! Looks awesome!!!

Kracka 11-20-2010 12:29 PM

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Good luck today!

Kevin 1G Drummer 11-20-2010 12:30 PM

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Good luck today! I'd come down and help out but I'm gonna be putting another muffler on my car today.

cmspaz 11-20-2010 08:05 PM

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Today was nice and productive, but I'll let Scheides drop the details.

scheides 11-20-2010 08:20 PM

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Was pretty hung over this morning but finally got started around 1130 or so. Engine is mostly assembled (cams and timing side stuff left off for now) but the oil pump & chain, oil pan, head, flywheel, clutch, trans are all bolted together and hanging from 3 motor mounts in the engine bay :)

I may go back out and bolt up the tcase, turbo, axels and ecu yet tonight.

Thanks do Dane (dzeust) for getting me going and the donuts, and Thielen and Spaz for helping with the hard parts. Got it all done w/o too much banging and swearing!

scheides 11-21-2010 01:57 AM

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Headed back out for another session and basically just kicked some bolts around, didn't get much done. Working by yourself is the pits, manuvering the turbo in place and trying to thread bolts in at the same time is impossible on this car. Aside from the transfer case, clutch slave and shifter linkage, everything else gave me problems: all the accessories, I seem to be short a bag of bolts or something because everything I try to put in has 3/4 bolts of 5/6 or something, its kinda insane. You can't be too organized I guess.

Got the turbo setup sorta refreshed: fresh o-rings, copper washers, and coolant hoses, and got the maifold coated:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3550.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3567.sized.jpg

Shawn screwing down the flamadation valve:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3558.sized.jpg

Dane w/ lightsabre (fresh clutch disc & fluids in background):
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3559.sized.jpg

Pics of the head: DB Performance job w/ porting, +1mm valves, and Supertech springs
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3560.sized.jpg

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3562.sized.jpg

Spaz helping bolt up trans:
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3564.sized.jpg

Up she goes!
http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...3565.sized.jpg


Shitty stuff? Slightly bent the lip of the oil pan while installing the motor. NBD will get it as flat as possible when I go to put the timing cover on. In the bussle of the project I skipped this stuipd little filter:
http://i.imgur.com/9cnTn.jpg

It goes in the block, from the top, under the head. FML. Trying to figure out if I need it or not, may have to yank the head back off. I would have yanked the head off immediately but brookdale already closed for the day.

All in all I'm pumped and just exhausted, so far to go but so close too. I'll update on the cam situation and such but until then its work and family time so the car will probably have to sit for a tish longer than I wanted it to.

DoughtCom 11-21-2010 02:02 AM

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It's very intense screwing that valve down, sorry I couldn't stay longer, glad you got a lot done though!

cmspaz 11-21-2010 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DoughtCom (Post 366726)
It's very intense screwing that valve down, sorry I couldn't stay longer, glad you got a lot done though!

Yeah, those flamidation valves can be a bitch. Can't do without them, though.

mlomker 11-21-2010 02:19 AM

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Wish I could have been there to see how some of that is done. If my psychic powers were more functional then I would have known weather would cancel my overnight work at the office.

scheides 11-21-2010 02:28 AM

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Heh there's nothing magical about it, one bolt at a time, check torque specs and take your time. I got a ton done today but I still feel frustrated with the amount of work left to go. Just a tough spot to stop, I wish I was further along. One step at a time I guess :D

Powers 11-21-2010 09:43 AM

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cars lookin awesome scheides! cant wait to see it all said and done again

FattyBoomBatty 11-21-2010 10:56 AM

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The only internal filter I have is the oil pickup chube. I say forget about that little torpedo filter, lol.

turbotalon1g 11-21-2010 12:17 PM

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Nice work.

DoughtCom 11-21-2010 08:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 366729)
Heh there's nothing magical about it, one bolt at a time, check torque specs and take your time. I got a ton done today but I still feel frustrated with the amount of work left to go. Just a tough spot to stop, I wish I was further along. One step at a time I guess :D

I know the feeling dude. The only thing I could do was every time I would get frustrated I would sit and think about being stranded in a car because I fucked something up while it being -20 outside and how pissed off I would be at myself.

awd-drifter 11-21-2010 09:58 PM

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wow scheides, looks like you guys are getting very productive with your car man!

Murlo26 11-22-2010 12:04 AM

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Awesome work man...looking great...good choice on your head setup, DB guys porting seems to work out well :) Don't copy me or nothing ;)

scheides 11-22-2010 12:27 AM

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LOL stock frame turbo, ported head, making good power for what you got--a 2.0 4cyl....yes you definitely paved the way on that one ;)

Still you have a good setup and going with proven parts/combos really is all I ever want to do. Def first hand data taken to heart and if I can get anywhere near your 460whp @32psi (or maybe 400 on just pump?) I'll be a happy happy guy.

Murlo26 11-22-2010 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 366794)
LOL stock frame turbo, ported head, making good power for what you got--a 2.0 4cyl....yes you definitely paved the way on that one ;)

Still you have a good setup and going with proven parts/combos really is all I ever want to do. Def first hand data taken to heart and if I can get anywhere near your 460whp @32psi (or maybe 400 on just pump?) I'll be a happy happy guy.

I was more so joking about the DB ported head deal ;) I don't pretend to be an innovator in the sport compact world, lol

460whp on @32psi??? You hinting at your fuel being different now?? ;) Or just if you run race fuel or something.

scheides 11-22-2010 12:58 AM

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Hah I was just ribbing you a little, I know what you were talking about :)

And no I was trying to say (with alky or e85) if my car hit anywhere near 460 at around 30psi I'll be very happy. We'll see what she does on pump gas though, cause that's all I'll be able to run for a while. Need to quit spending money, but an undertray sure would be nice to protect this thing while ripping through snow banks this winter :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrgyxks2msg&hd=1

mlomker 11-22-2010 09:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 366794)
maybe 400 on just pump?

I'm not sure what Shane was running for timing on my car but it certainly sounds do-able. I can't really complain about the BBX.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides (Post 366796)
an undertray sure would be nice to protect this thing while ripping through snow banks this winter

I saw your post discussing fasteners. I'm debating what I'm going to do since I already own the APR splitter. I might ditch it for an undertray and a non-Aero splitter. I'm not going to make a decision until Spring. I'll see what you end up with. :)


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