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Murlo26 11-10-2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 365522)
lol, I never saw jersey shore, but i like the music Jimmy fallon plays when he does his fist pumping, the roots are awesome.

I'm just giving you guys shit, I don't really give a crap either way. But hell now you guys can rock the shit out of some built motors.

I vote one of you guys need to big dog it and break 650ish at DB.

Give it time. One of us will get bored eventually despite what we all think right now. I am guessing Scheides will be like Lomker and myself after this and be in recovery from spending large sums of money.

however he did save quite a bit by doing a lot himself.

scheides 11-12-2010 10:10 AM

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Local resources, friends, that's what makes stuff come together and keep it on schedule! I ran over to lomker's last night to beg/borrow this extra set of 4b11t headstuds he had after his debacle. Turns out to use a torque plate you need something to bolt it to the block with! Surprise! LOL Fail scheides.

So yea anyways, I ran the headstuds over to MAP last night. The block is done being bored and its finally excited about life again and ready to go have some fun! (get it? bored? I....nevermind.) Actually, it is getting its final hone today and then assembly begins.

http://www.scheides.com/albums/evox-...ning.sized.jpg

Side note, MAP has a 4b12 block, it doesn't look as beefy as the 4b11t. The caps holding down the crank only have 2 bolts (vs 4 on the 4b11t) and the rear main seal is different. They are going to try some parts-swapping from mine and theirs to just see what is possible. Maybe on my next build :)

C3L1CA 11-12-2010 10:14 AM

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Thats awesome to see it progress so quickly! It'll be a fun car for sure when it's all said and done.

Are you going to keep daily driving it with the built motor?

turbotalon1g 11-12-2010 10:17 AM

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Give us a little spec sheet on this beast!!

Murlo26 11-12-2010 10:20 AM

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Nice progress, you are really moving!

What headstuds did lomker have, the ARPs?

scheides 11-12-2010 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by C3L1CA (Post 365865)
Thats awesome to see it progress so quickly! It'll be a fun car for sure when it's all said and done.

Are you going to keep daily driving it with the built motor?

Thanks! Absolutely I will keep driving it. I don't make enough $$ to have a $30k 'fun-only' car although that would be very fun some day!

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g (Post 365867)
Give us a little spec sheet on this beast!!

It's a mitsu? Hehe, like what? Look up a few posts (by me) to see what all is going in it.

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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 365868)
Nice progress, you are really moving!

What headstuds did lomker have, the ARPs?

yea, ARPs. I am iffy on re-torquing them after my incident with my last car, so I am going to use a fresh set when I torque the head to the block for the last time.

turbotalon1g 11-12-2010 10:29 AM

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SOrry my last post was dumb, you guys can use reg. ARPs and they hold pretty good?

mlomker 11-12-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 365872)
I torque the head to the block for the last time.

I'm glad to see them be useful for something. I'm still crying over what the "incidentals" set me back to pull that head a second time.

Murlo26 11-12-2010 10:31 AM

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Yes, people have ran upwards of 45psi on them so far, still holding fine. I'm running them at 37ish with no problems.

The evo's heads don't have lifting problems like DSM's do thankfully.

scheides 11-12-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 365875)
I'm glad to see them be useful for something. I'm still crying over what the "incidentals" set me back to pull that head a second time.

I'll give you a $10 rental fee, set something up with Hollyweird so they get included with the torque plate as it travels to lonely, sad, broke individual after lonely, sad, broke individual. :)

Murlo26 11-12-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 365878)
I'll give you a $10 rental fee, set something up with Hollyweird so they get included with the torque plate as it travels to lonely, sad, broke individual after lonely, sad, broke individual. :)

LOL, you rented the plate from Hollywood? Thats funny.

I guess I assumed MAP would just have one or would've bought one.

awd-drifter 11-12-2010 10:57 AM

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progress looks great and your block definitely doesn't look "bored" haha. good one.

scheides 11-12-2010 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 365880)
LOL, you rented the plate from Hollywood? Thats funny.

I guess I assumed MAP would just have one or would've bought one.

Everyone owes everyone, me, MAP, Hollywood after the manifold project so yea :)

scheides 11-15-2010 11:48 PM

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Rods come in wednesday, motor is done machining and being assembled.

I think all gaskets are in from mitsu.

Head will *hopefully* be done thursday or friday, I have my fingers mega crossed! Cams, valves, valvesprings, headstuds, and a new disc for the act 6-puck are in and ready to rock.

Saturday night I sold my stock-ish FMIC, gonna ship it out tomorrow. I was kinda freaking out about what to do but finally a deal came through for me:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...IMG_2617-1.jpg

Buschur Race FMIC. 4.5 x 18 x 12 Garret core, 972ci--this is one of the biggest and best flowing cores on the market. I will have to do a wee bit of grinding to get it in but I will have one less excuse for pump gas powa now. :) This is step 1 to a bigger/later project I had originally planned to do over the winter involving the LICP, TB, and IM that has now been put off for a long, long time. Stock stuff will have to suffice I guess :D

awd-drifter 11-16-2010 12:40 AM

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you gonna have a nice lookin' grill yo! ;)

Halon 11-16-2010 12:49 AM

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Got Girth?

rose0529 11-16-2010 07:59 AM

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Woot! getting closer!

Murlo26 11-16-2010 09:08 AM

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I am jealous of your speed :) Congrats, good core there for sure.

scheides 11-16-2010 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 366187)
I am jealous of your speed :) Congrats, good core there for sure.

Honestly the biggest advantage I have over your build is time of year; your car broke at the absolute worst time. Aside from some parts being on backorder, there haven't been too many delays other than me making decisions.

I did the math this morning, the new core vs the old core is 972ci vs 648ci, it is 150% the size of my old core but the same frontal area.

Murlo26 11-16-2010 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 366188)
Honestly the biggest advantage I have over your build is time of year; your car broke at the absolute worst time. Aside from some parts being on backorder, there haven't been too many delays other than me making decisions.

I did the math this morning, the new core vs the old core is 972ci vs 648ci, it is 150% the size of my old core but the same frontal area.

That's a big core, haha.

Yea, 6 weeks for a shortblock sucked. Delays are great for saving money though :)

simulatedwood 11-16-2010 09:53 AM

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Nice core! Welcome to the Buschur Race FMIC club..hehe

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/...e0ce7604_z.jpg

turbotalon1g 11-16-2010 11:18 AM

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That core is monsterous, 700whp?

scheides 11-16-2010 11:36 AM

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From garret's site I think it's p/n 703522-6004, supports 785hp and weighs 19.8lbs. Add some endtanks and I'm sure it'll be closer to 25. Or its the PTE core 051-1132 same specs and supports 975hp.

Either way it is a nice upgrade and will put concerns about the other intercooler to rest.

Tachyon 11-16-2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 366206)
supports 975hp.

Sounds like a very practical spring dyno day goal to aim for. :spin:

Shane@DBPerformance 11-16-2010 12:19 PM

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Usually you want a core that is rated for 50-100% more power than what you actually plan on making at the wheels, if you want it to not be a flow restriction and actually cool worth a crap. I have never had a car in with too big of an intercooler, but see cars with too small every other day.

turbotalon1g 11-16-2010 12:25 PM

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^Word, hence my old car having a core rated to 750whp and me making 450ish at most.

scheides 11-16-2010 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ecoli (Post 366212)
Usually you want a core that is rated for 50-100% more power than what you actually plan on making at the wheels, if you want it to not be a flow restriction and actually cool worth a crap. I have never had a car in with too big of an intercooler, but see cars with too small every other day.

Solid advice I have always taken to heart!

LOL check page2:
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&s...w=1152&bih=542

Not like I'm going over the top or anything:
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/p...p/BMW/BMWb.jpg

mlomker 11-16-2010 03:01 PM

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meh. I'll suffer with the Perrin. It's 930, whatever hp that works out to.

scheides 11-16-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 366233)
meh. I'll suffer with the Perrin. It's 930, whatever hp that works out to.

One of my top choices, very nice piece!

mlomker 11-16-2010 04:20 PM

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Forgot to ask--did you have appreciable wear on your six puck disk already? I was a little surprised to hear that you're replacing it.

Murlo26 11-16-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 366246)
Forgot to ask--did you have appreciable wear on your six puck disk already? I was a little surprised to hear that you're replacing it.

I think it was its out now and its cheap for a new disc only so mind as well.

scheides 11-16-2010 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 366246)
Forgot to ask--did you have appreciable wear on your six puck disk already? I was a little surprised to hear that you're replacing it.

Yea, for under $150 and zero extra time input I'm just hoping for another 5k miles on the tail-end of clutch life. The disc I took out looked decent, I'll keep it as a wall momento unless someone wants to give me a few bills for it (seems like people will buy anything!). I'll post some pics when I post a FS ad.

mlomker 11-16-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 366247)
mind as well.

It seems that is an alternate to might as well but it just looks wrong to me every time you use it.

Kracka 11-16-2010 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mlomker (Post 366233)
meh. I'll suffer with the Perrin. It's 930, whatever hp that works out to.

Definitely a solid choice, that's what I would have gone with had MAP not offered me this prototype of theirs. It is larger than most other intercooler cores on the market for the X; right behind the Buschur and my MAP prototype (980 c.i.). My favorite part about the Perrin is it is the only FMIC in the market for the X to fully utilize the entire front bumper opening; all others have end-tanks or at least welds exposed.

Murlo26 11-16-2010 04:48 PM

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Bah, you guys and your big IC's, you guys ever gonna use that IC for the big powah? ;)

Kracka 11-16-2010 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Murlo26 (Post 366251)
Bah, you guys and your big IC's, you guys ever gonna use that IC for the big powah? ;)

Nope, but I will use it for a chilly intake charge during the Texas heat :)

Murlo26 11-16-2010 04:51 PM

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Ok, acceptable, good excuse :)

scheides 11-16-2010 05:31 PM

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Like shane said, he's never seen too big of an intercooler :)

So I heard back from DeatschWerks just now. Man these guys are awesome to work with!

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Originally Posted by DeatschWerks
Hey Chris,

Your injectors tested fine. They are getting new orings put on and packaged up to ship back to you today.

Thanks for giving us a chance to look them over. :)

-Chris


I just wish their 1300's weren't so noisy. I may end up getting them anyways--service like this is really hard to come by. I've had a ton of very positive back/forth with these guys on a set of second-hand injectors. Very impressed.

Halon 11-16-2010 06:17 PM

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Any close ups of the external fin density/design on that core? While I agree a bigger IC is great, thickness is always a worry of mine on my setups. I won't ever run an extremely thick FMIC if the external fins are so densly packed that it seems that it is going to extremely inhibit flow to the radiator. Hence why I really like ETS cores as they don't focus 100% on intake charge cooling, but focus on street applications where keeping airflow through the core allowing enough air to the radiator is important as well. Garrett cores usually have a pretty dense external fin design from what I've seen.

Although it may not be as much of a concern considering you have an aluminum block now which may dissipate heat a bit better than the iron blocks... I'm just a worry wart when it comes to overheating, I can thank the old 1G for that :)

mlomker 11-16-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Halon (Post 366256)
allowing enough air to the radiator is important as well.

Sounds like a great excuse for a radiator upgrade! lol. Mishimoto makes two and CBRD has a baller one for the X. I have the cheaper Mishimoto and my car has never budged at the track for temps.

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Originally Posted by scheides (Post 366254)
I've had a ton of very positive back/forth with these guys on a set of second-hand injectors. Very impressed.

Bryan@GST rags on DW and in the last day a guy is trying to blame a blown motor on a pre-release set of the 1500s. My personal experience has been good, both with that set you've got and the 1000s. Those IDs didn't tune for shit.


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