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Spool isn't the problem, it's averting enough exhaust gases away from the turbo to keep the boost at a steady level. With a divided manifold and a single gate, the turbo is seeing less exhaust pressure from two of the runners than the other two. A single wastegate on a tubular manifold is usually plumbed into a merged collector, not a divided. This is similar to the way Buschur used to weld an HKS external on the number one runner of a stock manifold or the old cast T3 manifolds. I'm guessing this will cause some erratic boost control with this size turbo, but practice outweighs theory everytime. We'll see how it comes out. It shouldn't be that tough to add another wastegate later.

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Id be worried with high back pressure on 2-3 and low back pressure on 1-4. When the wastgate is open. But like Steve said people have been running gates of the #1 cly forever. I would try to do a single setup like in these attached pics.

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Yeah, it should be fine. how big is the plunger/valve on the greddy type R?

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Sweet! i am impressed with the way the Galant is setup.

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I did plan on running the waste gate off the two collectors right befor the turbo and weld in a divider so there would be only a little cross over with the #1/4 to the #2/3. My thought is this turbo is huge, big, massive, the #1/4 will be full bore on the turbo but the #2/3 would have exhaust gas energy wasted. So I do not know how well a 1liter 2cylender motor would spool/keep a GT4202 spinning, 2 waste gates it is I guess.

~John

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There is another way. :sasmokin:

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I thought of that as well. Unfortunately, that would defeat the purpse of keeping the runners separated.

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Not really unless you're running real low boost.

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That was my first plan, I do have room under the turbo or under the primary runners, we will see. I would have it divided all the way to the bottom of the valve seat, which should be close enough.

~John

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Your only gonna run the gate off 1 side of the collector??

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It was an idea, but I will put two 38s and be done with it, so it will be a true divided manifold.

~John

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When, oh, when will Josh Swanberg finally release his choice in turbo/turbos?

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Once we are done testing and get some track times, I will release my new setup information.

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Sounds like there are some expectations. Is there a particular reason why you wouldn't release the information? In the past, you have been quite boisterous about the setup.

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Dual 2G DSM T25s with a 900 shot of NAWZ.

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^^^ Who told?!?!

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Dammit you promised you wouldn't tell!

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Motha fucka!!! Now everyone will know and swanny won't be shit.
Sucks for you. Well at least rst will be there for ya. he seems a little interested in your setup these days.

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Alright I will tell you what I am running.

Twin tial 38mm wastegates with leaded valves and a tial BOV.

All in blue.

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I know I know, You switched the internally gated exhaust housings for non-internally gated ones. You sly dog you.

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OOOOOOh buddy. tial bov to hold the boost of the new turbos..can you say twin gt45's? ;)

-A. Swift

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4788s is where its at, intake manifold is coming along ok, should have some new pics by the end of the week, and the rest of my fuel system showed up so I can work on that next.

~John

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nvm

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http://www.teamnabr.com/albums/Tyte-...2430.sized.jpg

GT4788 vs Greddy T78

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Looks like a Titan pic. Why not the 106mm Thumper? You'd potentially triple your power, instead of doubling it (yawn).

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GReddy turbos are like audi's or cadillacs. It's just a gussied up version of the real thing.

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That may be so, but can you find another vendor that sells mitsu-built turbos that large besides greddy?

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Maybe I could, But I won't. This is off topic anyway. More pictures, please! :D

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http://www.lseperformance.com/galler...serialNumber=1
http://www.lseperformance.com/galler...serialNumber=1
http://www.lseperformance.com/galler...serialNumber=1
John's getting closer on his car. Plenum is next up.

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That thing looked pretty sick at the shop the other day!

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Hurry up and get that thing done!!! That way I can get my shit in there.

Oh yeah, it looks great! Lets see some more work.

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Damn thats what I call a an intake. Nice smooth transition into the runners. no velosity stacks to cause turbulance. I want one !!!!

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Are you keeping track of how much filler rod you are using on that manifold?:lol: That sucker is beefy, I dont think you will have to worry about it popping under high boost.

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We like BIIIG boost...breaking welds on anything we put together is NOT an option.

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That is cool looking. Will the plenum be square or round and to make those rounded sections, did you 1/4 a tube and use the sections or shape flat sheets?

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I like the plenum/runner transition you have. Reminds me of the DVDT intake manifold. I don't fully understand the reasons for velocity stacks protruding into the plenum, but to me that design just looks much better. But again I am no fluid dynamics expert, but just in general that looks like it'd work better. Any experts care to chime in on that?

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I think it will work, and I did use a 1/4 of 2" round tube to make the end of the runners, I plan for the plenum to be round as well. Most of the manifold will be inside/outside welded and welding the runners onto the flange took a lot of amps, but not to much rod, about 1/4 to 1/2 of a rod to make it on one side. After the intake its onto the endtank for the IC then fuel system install.

~John

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I want John, I want. :)

-A. Swift

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I did plan on making at least 2 smim's once we make a kick ass design that works good on paper and the dyno, so if all goes well we could produce the manifolds, but to make due they would be spendy unless we outsorced the work like everyone else in the smim market.

~John

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I worked on my car this weekend.

Wiring sucks, pics to come soon.