Re: Evo X upgrades
 

You owe money on the X. I also think you're dreamin' as far as what you're going to get for a blown car. You do recall that scheides just bought a working car for $24k, right?

Re: Evo X upgrades
 

Yup...but that one needs love, body work etc.

I don't think I am dreaming at all..I am not asking 24k with the blown motor unless they want an array of mods.

I am asking 21k with the stock blown motor and all stock components.

The car with a proper motor is kbb'ed at 28.2k right now. I could invest 5 (probably 6 with labor of a straight swap) grand and replace it with a stock motor and sell it for at least 27k, and that would still have some good upgrades with it.

It is a deal and will take a person that wants mods to realize it, that is why i have priced it the way i have. So people will negotiate.

I only owe 10k on the car and do have like 4k right now.

The head could potentially be fine in which case I could put it back to stock for possibly cheaper even.

Not sure how the prices are off, I think they are very fair honestly for how much money/labor is in the car. I would be losing a ton selling it obviously, but then I avoid having to invest any more into it.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

And yes obviously KBB isn't law, but X's in good shape have been going for 27k.

So ok, i could sell the X with the blown motor a few upgrades i would leave on for 20k at the lowest.

So they spend 7k and they have a perfectly good X with very low miles on it.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

glws and all that but I'd personally need a smokin' deal to buy a car and do all that work. As a prospective purchaser I'd assume that if you blew the motor that you've beaten the snot out of the rest of the car as well. Would you buy your car if you were in the market and didn't know the seller?

My suspicion is that if you want to unload the car for a good price that you should drop a stock motor in it/part it out/go to stock.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

To be perfectly honest you're going to have to be really lucky to get $21k, if you dropped it to down around $18k I'm sure you could fine one easily enough.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Me, probably not, the sale is directed at people who do their own work though. Not someone who is going to pay a shop to put a new motor in.

I fully understand what you are saying, but the amount of money to create this car is way higher than what I am asking. I could see some person asking 30k with a blown motor on this car because they invested so much. Obviously they would never sell the damn thing, but even 30k would be a loss.

If i don't get any bites soon, I will have DB put a stock motor back in and the part out will ensue.

It will take longer but I will be able to drive the car for the time being while I am trying to sell at least and then when I sell everything I will be better off than what I would've been selling it for what I am asking now.

Yes, maybe they could think that I beat on the car, but in reality i don't think i did, not the drivetrain anyway, just stressing the engine from so much power. I only launched the car once since I owned it, lol.

We will see how everything unfolds though. Don't assume I am selling yet.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

I vote build the x and forget about it. You sound like most girls I know that can't make up their mind.

If you want to go fast and do it cheaply, why not just get a dsm then? Motor are cheap, a ton of parts, etc, etc. Then you could buy a decent daily too with the money you save.

Re: Evo X upgrades
 

First off, Brookdale Mitsu has a brand new X for $24k. I think most people would take the brand new one, regardless of the mods you have.

Secondly, mods to not add to the value of the car. Nor does having a shit load of labor in to it. Labor is like gas, you buy it because you need it, but you can't add what you've used on the value of the car.

Yes Scheides' car is a little, ummm "worn", but it's perfectly functional. Seems like your sights are set a bit high for what you want.

For the $24k you could have the following.
1)Brand new X from Mitsu
2)A car in similar condition as Scheides'
3)An X with a blown motor that requires at least $5k to get it on the road.

I think the answer is pretty obvious here.

I say sell the X and buy a IX.

Or like C3LICA said, buy a DSM if you want cheap power.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

A brand new one for 24k? The ralliarts are like 27k...so not sure how they have a brand new X for that.

I am not asking 24k...i am asking 21k.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Lets see a link for this supposed brand new X for $24k.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

I fail? I remember going there to grab parts and seeing the tag read $24xxx,. It must've been a Ralliart. My apologies.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

I would love a DSM, but as a third car. I love my evo and the 8/9's as well. At this point in my life I want a fast evo.

As of now I need a second car for sure, something reliable and boring.

And sorry i don't think spending every cent to my name that i have now and will make in the next few months on my car, its a big deal to me.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

I just checked Brookdale, the cheapest new X they have is 34560...not exactly 24k.

They also have no used ones.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Hence, my apology.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Sorry missed that, wasn't trying to be a jerk, just figured i would check. I would really be screwed if new X's were that much. i would for sure keep it then.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

I feel ya man, I spent almost all my money on my car last summer. Although it was, it sucked at the same time. If I could I think I would sell my two cars and get an evo as well.

Whatever you decide hope you're happy with it! Good luck!

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Thanks, I will figure it out eventually. I was just planning to fix up my new house that i bought last summer, yard needs a lot of work. Honestly if my yard was in good shape, this wouldn't be a decision, built motor would win.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Ya, I test drove a BASE EvoX @ brookdale and they were talking like $32k or so, sticker is $34,500 IIRC.

Anyways, save up, buy long block, install drop-ins, and continue to beat some ass. :)

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Also, what's with this $60k comment? That's kinda a half-truth.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Kind of, kind of not...If I keep the car and build the motor, my investment total will be in the 50's, possibly close to 60, i don't even want to add it up at that point.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Like others have suggested, I think to realistically evaluate your options, you should lower the amount you expect to get for the car with a blown motor. If you may only get 16-18k for the car with the blown motor, does that change your mind? If so, cut to the chase and move forward with those possible numbers in mind.

I agree with those in this thread saying the expectations of what could be had for an X with a blown motor are high. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what mods, how you treated it, or how much time/labor is into a car. In the end, it is going to take a new owner time/labor and money to just get it running. With that, it has to be a great deal for someone to get into that situation instead of spending a little more money and buying a perfectly good/running X(or IV for that matter).

Very simply, blown motor car + parts and labor cannot equal or come close to a good running cars value. It has to be a "deal" to someone for this car to sell.

Only making all these statements to help you with your decision.. I think this may change your view of the situation a bit?

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

^Well I have been thinking all day about what everyone has said etc etc.

And as I said before I have been swaying back and forth since the motor went....

Since you guys are outside the car, by that I mean you don't have anything invested into and can make a clear decision about it and give me a no BS assessment on what it should be worth I need to listen.

That being said I now have two options in my mind...put a stock motor back in it and put it back to stock and sell it. In that case i think 27ish would be reasonable. However then it will be tough explaining to whoever wants it why it has a new motor in it and no matter what I say they won't believe me. So like you guys say, i will then need to lower it to get what I want out of it. In which case I mind as well of sold it for 16-17k and cut my losses rather then trying to sell it fixed up.


Option 2, suck it up, buy a car to get me by for now (which has to be done for either scenario) and tow that shit to DB/MAP to start pulling the motor and assess the situation.

Still nothing is 100% obviously, but I will say this...

From the very start I told myself if I was going to do any work on it, meaning fixing the motor/building it, i was not going to put it back to a stock block...

So that kind of makes my decision for me i guess.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Oh, also, I appreciate your guys' insight, this is a tough time for me and tough to make any decisions flat out about anything but I think i will get there soon.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Have you explored alternatives to buying a temporary car? My Dad had two and loaned me one for free. Maybe you know somebody with multiple cars that could rent you one for cheap for a few months?

If you decide to rebuild then you should look for ways to postpone expenses like a 2nd car...at least until Fall.

He wouldn't be that into it if he just dropped in another stock motor. If he pulls a Lomker then it's a piece of cake. :D

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Well my temp car as of now is my buddy's Dodge stratus (hes the guy that was with us Lomker with the G8). I just spoke with him about arranging a rental for it, probably a few hundred bucks for the whole time i have it or monthly like 50 or something.

So if i can use his stratus, i am in business.


SIDE NOTE: UPDATE....

I have thought about this every way possible...logically, mathematically, financially and emotionally...the two options that were narrowed down were make my car stock, part it out and drive it that way or build the bastard. Since I obviously wasn't happen with the car at stock levels and I don't want to loss thousands of dollars... i have landed on this..

Keep it and build it! So now the fun begins...going to try and tow it somewhere next week and figure out a final parts list and who will do the work and what is still good on the car. I love both MAP and DB and it will be hard to choose between the two and I will feel bad for who I don't chose since they both gave me very solid quotes and I try to spread my love equally.

Also I will probably be selling my Fpred (assuming it is still good)to help fund the project since I will need all the funds i can get. So yes I will have a fully built motor capable of like 650-700whp no problem running the stock turbo for a while:)

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

YAY!!! Can't wait to see this beast when your done!! Very interested to see what the cause is when you rip into it! I would have ripped into it by now to have a look around!

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Tomorrow I am going to start cleaning it up and taking the undertray off to see the carnage more closely. I got it up on jackstands already.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

^Give me a shout if you want a hand or something.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Will do, thanks for the offer.

I don't want to get too crazy since the car will be moving, hopefully soon so don't want to take all sorts of crap off.

But thanks again and if I see something i want to investigate and need some help i will post up.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Awesome Dave glad you are keepin it! I wanna stop over tomorrow and take a look at it if you dont care?

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Good to hear. Let us know when you need a hand.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Sure thing, toss me a text, 651-269-4715.

I will hopefully be up sometime kind of early. Tomorrow yard work needs to happen since all of my yard repair money is going into the car now.

After some yard work I will take a crack at cleaning the X engine bay a bit and pulling the undertray off to look at the air vent i created.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

I would have had the head off by now, myself...no doubt. Can't hurt it anymore at this point. :D

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

True, but I have been pretty bummed this last week so i haven't felt like doing anything with it.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Well i am going to tow my car up to DB this saturday during the dyno day. I will be up there anyway so figured i would kill two birds with one stone.

I spoke with Danny again and he made a lot of sense and seems very direct and honest about why he suggested what he did.

I feel like Chris may be mad at me a bit since I didn't chose MAP but the way that danny quoted the build made more sense to me.

MAP's labor costs were considerably higher because they were factoring in a bore and hone of the block. If i went with a used core that would make sense, but Danny suggested we just go with a new OEM shortblock and then Mitsubishi does all that Machine work anyway. He said he would check clearances and file down the rings and everything so we should be good to go.

I don't think MAP's way was bad just unnecessary if you have a new block. Otherwise no one would be able to do drop in's ever if they had to bore/hone the motor.

Regardless, I spoke with another Mechanic, one of my best friends who has an SR20det'ed 240 which is very similar to the 4b11t and he said the stock shortblock that is new would work perfect and that is what he would recommend.

So it is decided. I apologized to Chris for any nonsense I created but I have given them a lot of business already, as well as DB, so now it is time to get down to business and start this project up.

I will probably get my diff pins upgrading while the motor is out too as a side note.

Also talked with my bank on friday and they are going to give me a loan based on the car as collateral. since with my super low interest rate on the X a refinance wouldn't make sense.

Lets do eeetttt.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Well, game on then! Getting the head ported while its off?

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

I'm not mad sir lol, the truth is we're months out on labor anyways I just wanted to get another Evo X build under our belt so we could further the market those services on a national and international level.

To clear things up, we were also open to using a new stock block to avoid the machining costs. I simply had to warn you that aftermarket pistons generally run larger piston to wall clearances and that we wouldn't know for sure that no additional hone would be necessary until we had all of the parts spec'd out. If you recall you were the one that didn't want any additional charges popping up down the line ;)

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Badass, you going to tear it apart before hand?

Don't worry about who u picked to do the work, its a nature of the business, but you got your point across about being a thoughtful customer.

Congrats on your decision to keep the car hopefully you won't try to push it this time and get to enjoy it a lot longer.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Well thanks for clearing it up, it honestly wasn't an easy decision for me and I respect your honesty. I think truly the reason I ended up at DB was simply because I have Shane tune the car, so it would be easier to have one shop do the work and if something went wrong it wasn't a who's to blame thing.

I am happy that you don't hold a grudge, thank you for that. As I had said before, I like both shops very much. I guess it seemed through our emails/talks that you guys would've preferred to play it safe and bore/hone the motor. Obviously there is significant cost associated with that.

Regardless, thank you for your time Chris, i really do appreciate it.

Re: Dave's Evo X Build
 

Pictures and a wtf happened will ensue yes.