Police Beating

[Jakey]

Comments?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/07/force.allegation.ap/index.html

[TheBlizzard]

Whats the problem? The guys was getting pulled over for expired tags and didn't stop right away and then refused to give up his ID. Then began flailing his arms at the cop. I don't think the officer was out of line at all.

This strikes me as a 'oh fucking poor me' case, now can I get some money.

CRAIG

[1ViciousGSX]

Sounds like he was treated like a king, Rodney King that is. :p

[Jana]

What strikes me as kind of funny is that in the article, the old man says "'If I'd have seen you, I would have stopped".

What part of that is wrong? Can he not see? And if so, why the hell is he driving?

[A//// Guy]

If you cant see you shouldnt be driving. If you think you can just brush off an officer and then not produce identification then you are dumb.

I think that its a case of why the heck did the guy keep driving (because hes old and cant pay attention to everything?). Why did he put up a fight after he didnt stop. If the officer had sirens on and was right behind him, theres no reason he shouldnt have heard him.

I hate all this racial profiling crap. Sure it probably happens, but when its just a legit pullover why do they think they can pull it off as racial profiling? Grrr

[TheBlizzard]

If it would have been JDM the 85 yr old guy would have kicked his ass and took his squad car and drove off.

Surprised we haven't gotten JDM .02 on this subject. Common Kiel I want to hear it.

CRAIG

[JDM]

If it would have been JDM the 85 yr old guy would have kicked his ass and took his squad car and drove off.

Surprised we haven't gotten JDM .02 on this subject. Common Kiel I want to hear it.

CRAIG


I'll remember that the next time I stop a POS plymouth laser...


If it were ME, I would not have Pepper sprayed the man. For Gosh sakes, he's 85...

Words and your brain are stronger and more powerful than any weapon produced my man. I've talked my way out of a lot worse than this.

If I were the officer....

You call out on radio whats called a "slow to stop traffic", and wait for another car

You order the man out at gun point with another officer, just to cover your ass, and so bystanders see and hear you doing regular police work, and not being shady...

You then approach with caution, handcuff the man, advise him that he is NOT under arrest, but rather that I am conducting an investigation into why you didn't stop. Place the man in the rear of my squad.

Search the vehicle.

When no contraband or weapons are found, I advise the man of his miranda rights, place him under arrest for failure to yeild to an order to stop, or some sort of obstruction, and for expired registration displayed. Make HIM the bad guy.

Tow the vehicle, and take him to Ramsey Jail to be booked.

And keep my ass outta the news.



If I were his supervisor....

I would place him on probation. I would have Internal affairs conduct a VERY public and formal investigation, and invite the NAACP to LIMITED access to the case, and welcome them to conduct their own investigation. St Paul PD has onboard cameras.... Cameras don't lie.


IF I were the judge in this case...

I would throw out any greater charge than the expired tabs, revoke the man's license indefinately based on statements made that he did not see the officer attempting to stop him. St Paul uses a strobe style light bar and flashing headlights to stop vehicles. If he cannot see that behind him, then he should not be fit to operate a vehicle.

I would offer the officer a STERN warning on the use of force continuum. You cannot take chances on either side, over cautious or not. There were better ways to handle this situation.



If I had a gentleman failing his arms, refusing to leave his vehicle after I approached, I would have very well maced him too.... I almost had to tonight... But words eventually got me outta that situation.


It's my belief that you can talk yourself out of ALMOST anything... This officer should take verbal judo, offered by most departments...


My two cents.

[unreal808]

We all know a squad car can’t keep up with a" laser ". Ya, I know you can't beat the radio, but I have ditched the cops before like three times, dont think I don't think I would try it Again. I think my luck is running thin.