15 states with petitions to secede

[Goat Blower]

I think it'll be the other way around, all the jobs will be in TX. The other 49 will be employed by the gub'mt.

[tpunx99GSX]

I think it'll be the other way around, all the jobs will be in TX. The other 49 will be employed by the gub'mt.

You are grossly uninformed.
But, if Congress did agree to a peaceful secession, it would open up a whole new can of worms. Conservatives claim that we'll all be better off without "BIG GOVERNMENT", but what would happen to all of the federal property in the seceding states?

The national parks, monuments, historic sites, federal buildings, post offices, military installations, prisons, veterans hospitals, and other property comprises millions of acres of prime real estate, as well as buildings and furnishings. Do you think the federal government would just let that property go? Shouldn't the states have to pay the U.S. government for it? Where would they get that much money?

The states would lose all of their federal funds for welfare, food assistance, housing, utilities, education, and other public benefits programs. College loans and grants, small business aid, farm subsidies, disaster assistance, FHA and VA mortgages, food and drug inspection, FDIC insurance on consumers' bank deposits, first responder grants, conservation services, interstate highways, environmental protections, civil and workers' rights, and all of the other federal benefits would vanish immediately.

That would cause state unemployment rates to rise drastically because all of the former federal employees in the states would be unemployed overnight. And that ripple effect would generate more unemployment in those communities. Would the states fund those unemployment benefits? How would they absorb that many more unemployed people? What would happen to those families?

The states would have to create their own post offices, currencies, passports, regulatory agencies, international relations and defense frameworks, public benefits, transportation, infrastructure, and other systems. How long would you be willing to wait for your state legislature to sort all of that out?

What would happen to any citizens who didn't want to secede? Would they have to move to a non-seceding state? Would they still be American citizens? What would happen to their property?

[A//// Guy]

Exactly.. if any of that happened, there would be mass chaos.

[tpunx99GSX]

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/national_world&id=8883599

Can't wait to see the White House's response to Texas since the required 25k signatures have been collected :)

Obviously it's not going to happen, but it does send a message.

BTW, the white house will respond with the following "The president does not have power to approve or deny secession, its in the constitution if you would actually read beyond the second amendment"

[JET]

7 petitions now have the required 25k votes. Here is Minnesota's:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-minnesota-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/bzct9Ypl

Still a long ways to go for us.

[Kracka]

Minnesota needs to figure out how voter precincts work first before worrying about something as complex as becoming their own nation ;)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/13/minneapolis-voting-precinct-located-entirely-in-lake/?intcmp=obnetwork

[Shane@DBPerformance]

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[Kracka]

It's not like our federal government enforces immigration laws. My guess is a lot of these illegals like being non-citizens since they don't have to pay taxes, yet can still take advantage of some social services.

[tpunx99GSX]

It's not like our federal government enforces immigration laws. My guess is a lot of these illegals like being non-citizens since they don't have to pay taxes, yet can still take advantage of some social services.

where are you steering this conversation? please stay on topic.

[Shane@DBPerformance]

I think he is referencing something I accidentally posted and then I tried to delete.