Bush Was Right All Along

[tpunx99GSX]

Peter, I want you to tell me what is wrong about the statements i made? cmon i dare ya. And if you seriously believe that we didnt go over there for oil, then WHAT THE FUCK did we go over there for. I bet more then half the soldiers over there dont know. letting the economy grow is better then letting it fucking drop. Bush has told us many lies and where is the "Im sorry everybody, I fucked up" speech. Clinton was looking for a peaceful solution to the situation by not starting a war the minute something goes bad.
Gas would not be cheaper, gas prices are determined by the situation. war times give reasons for increased prices because the government says we need oil so we will take it while we are over there, immediatly people think there is a shortage so oil companies see that and raise prices so that people continue to believe this. why do you think there has not been an alternative fuel put into production yet. The oil companies will SMASH any alternative fuels that hit the market because they own the cash crop that is more needed then ciggerettes.
Tom

[Raptor]

I am not getting into this because no one is going to change anyones mind about their political views. I will stand by Bush and his decisions and the republican party as my choice.

Tom, you know the saying: "Its better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" - You have never learned this and actually take it a few steps further. You may as well get on a loudspeaker or maybe the public airwaves and just proclaim to be an idiot. You can't seem to form a sentence without using some explative or ripping on someones belief, but then the first comment someone makes that isn't in alignment with your beliefs, you spaz and the idiot in you comes out to the fullest.

[LightningGSX]

The war for oil thing is nothing but BS.A relatively small(15-20% IIRC) amount of our oil comes from the middle east, and an even smaller percent of that comes from Iraq.Hardly enough to justify a war, even with Bush's mentality.Japan is really the only nation dependent on middle eastern oil, I wonder what their gas prices are these days?

As far as the political parties, neither really cares about the middle(working) class.Most of these politicians haven't worked a hard days work in their lives, and if they have, its been so long the can't even identify with it anymore.Bush is not the best president, but I'd hate to see where we would be if Gore was president.And Kerry, you think shit sucks now, wait till you see the cluster fuck Kerry creates if he is elected.

[Matt D.]

Originally posted by LightningGSX@May 20 2004, 10:13 PM
A projectile containing an entire liter of serin gas(I believe it was) is definately a WMD, regardless of its age.
Correct, it was a device containing Sarin.

[LightningGSX]

Originally posted by tpunx99GSX@May 20 2004, 11:01 PM
why do you think there has not been an alternative fuel put into production yet. The oil companies will SMASH any alternative fuels that hit the market because they own the cash crop that is more needed then ciggerettes.

E85 is an alternative fuel, its made almost entirely from biomass, such as american corn.Its catching on too, more and more vehicles are coming equipped to use it.Its anywhere from 95 to 105 octane(depending on the season), and last I checked, its about 20 cents a gallon cheaper than 87 unleaded.

[LightningGSX]

Originally posted by tpunx99GSX@May 20 2004, 10:40 PM
p.s LightningGSX what was your girl doing at court today, i say your car pull in and was like "what is he doing here?" then she stepped out. LOL
She was paying her fine for selling cigarettes to a minor at her old job.Like $300 I think it was, pretty gay.

[JasonR]

Quote (tpunx99gsx, may 20 2004, 10:40pm)

the biggest thing you can do to make yourself choose the right man is educate yourself

I am not going to attack what you said no matter how irrational it sounds. At least you are sticking your head out and speaking. I like to talk allot as well. I will say that it is not about educating yourself about the man. Its about understanding the difference between the two parties and their administration. If we change the way the war is managed or take Bush out of office we will lose. If I may give an implied comparison, its like driving your mitsubishi gsx and suddenly you turn your car over to someone who misses the gears, drives the car recklessly and basically ruins the engine because he or she does not understand how to take care of the machine or the suttle keys to successfully driving the car. I have for the most part been a republican, but here is my full view. Liberals are the best, No conservitives are the true leaders. The fact is both are needed to keep capitalism, law and foriegn policy just right. Too much liberal-government control and the western economy falls apart, too much conservitive-government control and the poorest workers revolt and the west becomes unstable. Law, too conservitive and people start to get a little rioty and angry, too liberal and nothing gets done. That is the strength of the west, it doesn't lay in america's democracy, canada's neutrality, or north america's people. The real thing that makes us great is the fact we have both liberal and conservitive aspects of government and that is what let us beat the fascists, communists and what will let us beat the fundementalists. Why preach total liberal philosphy, when both are needed to keep the world afloat? Total rule of either the right or left would destroy the delicite balance between what the society wants and what the individual wants. The heated debates, the impassioned speachs, the cut-throat nature of politics, these are all making us move more and more into our respected sides (either far right or left) and we are losing our integrity to stay together. Politics are irrelevant, the liberals will win one year, but the conservitives the year after that, the constant shift of power makes it illogical to fight so fiercely for unifrom beliefs, especially considering they are both critical to our survival.

Purity is the one thing Hitler wanted, but in fact it is centralization and uncleanlyness that keeps us strong.

Lets lay off the political bong for a while, its just going to ruin our vision of the real reason we have politics the way we do, and the true intentions of our democracy

[SuperSleeper]

I find it ironic that some of you are whining that we're fighting for oil. Regardless if that is the true motive or not, isn't this a car board? I would think all of you in particular would want your share.

First off, I support Bush and his efforts to the fullest extent. Though I am not excited about getting drafted or losing family members to war, I believe that both standing by your country's leader and fighting for your nation are important.
Something Tom and others may not comprehend is that everything we see on TV, read in the newspaper, and view online is being produced by THE PRESS or opinionated individuals. And though we all want to be up-to-date on the news, it's simply not going to happen. I am positive there is plenty of information the government doesn't let the general public know. For instance what Lightning started this topic for... we are finally learning the cause for the effect. The press is very good at construing information to make it "appealing", or misinforming the public with political gossip. They're in it for money, and though I try to keep up on the news, when it comes to this stuff I take it with a grain of salt.

Go ahead and point the finger at Bush for "starting a war", but when it comes down to it, I recall a couple of planes crashing into a building as the beginning of it all. The fact is, Bush knows that inside info the press can't dig up. You may not agree with his efforts, but maybe there comes a time when citizens need to use something called "faith". I guarantee you the president has a better idea of what's best to do than all of us. Support our government--if you're not a part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

[1ViciousGSX]

The really big thing everybody forgets is that the President does not have total control over the government. Congress decides most of what happens when it comes to laws and things, the President is mostly a spokes person to take the blame and the credit. Bush is doing a good job considering how the economy slowed greatly after 911. Thank God it's not Gore in office. And we better all hope John Kerry doesn't get in, how much more tax can you afford to pay?

[2003eclipse]

the draft comes into play just smoke dope and lots of it they wont want a stoner