Bill O'Reilly is a knucklehead

[Febo]

Actually they don't. Science tries to find the reason behind why things exist and work the way they do. No where in any of my science classes has "disprove the existence of god" come up. Stop giving atheists and agnostics a bad name.

Also I'm tired of this "you will burn in hell" shit. Seriously you don't want to get me started on the matter of religion. Such as hell didn't exist in the early bible, that there are more books that were left out of the bible then put in it, the first stories about jesus were written decades after jesus died, the fact they took christmas from the pagans to help converting people, muslims jews and christians all worship the same god... Etc...

Believe what you want but as far as I'm concerned two things need to happen:
1.) Tom needs to stfu
2.) The bible thumpers need to stfu

[tpunx99GSX]

Actually they don't. Science tries to find the reason behind why things exist and work the way they do. No where in any of my science classes has "disprove the existence of god" come up. Stop giving atheists and agnostics a bad name.

Science (mainly Physics) does not care about WHY, but are more concerned about the HOW. They are two VERY different things. There are very many tests going on right now as we speak that are disproving the core aspects of religion. Such as Creationism, Deities, Miracles and the like. The Halidron Collider is one of these experiments.
Just because you didnt take a class on it, doesnt mean they arent doing it. Pick up a couple books that werent assigned to you by a teacher or syllabus.

You have no idea the research i have done on these very topics, so i would suggest YOU stop giving agnostics and atheists a bad name. If you really want to debate this, i would be more than willing.

[Mwolf83]

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[Febo]

There are very many tests going on right now as we speak that are disproving the core aspects of religion. Such as Creationism, Deities, Miracles and the like. The Halidron Collider is one of these experiments.

BTW, it's spelled Hadron, not Halidron... So I don't really know what Dan Brown novels you have been reading but he sure is getting sloppy with his writing.

Anyways, just because they are doing tests that may or may not incidentally disprove certain aspects of religions that were written ~2000 years ago, does not mean that this is the active goal of science and there for means they are the saints and doers of Atheism.

The more science reveals the more questions come up, not really proving anything. I think the Jewish have it right in that they don't fear science the way Christianity does. Instead of science being a tool to disprove god, it is a tool to possibly prove he exists. We still only have theories as to the creation of the universe. Even if the Big Bang theory is true, where did that material come from?

I don't give Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Jews, or Muslims a bad name. As I'm not the one claiming any of this science for any religion or ideology like you are. If science was such an Atheistic realm, then there wouldn't be theists that work in the industry.

[1QUICK4]

Don't drink the KoolAid

[tpunx99GSX]

Febo, Here is some reading material for you.

Read (and finished) this one over the weekend:
http://www.borders.com/online/store/TitleDetail?sku=0553805371
Explains how using Quantum Physics, M-Theory, Alternative Historys and other physics methods can prove HOW the big bang came about, and How the universe was created. Also explains how there is no such thing as a Miracle, how a Deity plays no role in the creation process.

More reading...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_M-theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-Theory

Some Watching:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4I-XT5nH7g
(i havent watched this but i have a feeling what was said)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc
While the below video looks like something you would see in an elementary class, it is very informative on Explaining the quantum physics experiment called the Double Slit Experiment. Which Stephen Hawking explains where the video leaves off, and how the tests when further where after the electron was shot, they then decided whether to observe or not, and found that by observing after it was fired, they were in essence writing the path that the electron took, as well as going into more detail as to what was really happening.

[Febo]

I can't get too involved right now Tom, but I want to point out that arguing a theory with more theories does not make you right. It's actually kind of a pointless argument.

[1ViciousGSX]

Here's a question for all of you.

Who cares? Really. Why is it so important to try and destroy somebody else's beliefs? If somebody wants to believe in a higher power, and by doing so, it makes them a better person, which adds to their value in society, WHO REALLY FUCKING CARES?

Why is it so important to tear down that belief???

[Febo]

^ I agree with that. I can see the value of religions. They teach morality and give guidelines on how to live a good life. They also provide a community for those when need arises, and also just so people can belong. We all need to feel like we belong to something. Hence the reason we have things like this very forum

I just do not like being told I'm going to a hell that I don't even believe in because I do not share the same beliefs as those people.

For all of the good that religion can do, it is by far the most evil thing on the planet when used wrong.

[tpunx99GSX]

Here's a question for all of you.

Who cares? Really. Why is it so important to try and destroy somebody else's beliefs? If somebody wants to believe in a higher power, and by doing so, it makes them a better person, which adds to their value in society, WHO REALLY FUCKING CARES?

Why is it so important to tear down that belief???

In a perfect world that is all fine and dandy, and people who use religion to better their lives is great. And while this works for a lot of the religions of the world, especially today, this is not the case

Unfortunately this is not a perfect world and people use religion to create holy wars, bloodshed and hate. We are not only talking about Christianity here, but all religions. More blood has been shed in the name of religion than any disease, or any reason in the history of mankind.

History has taught us that when religion is involved people take very drastic measures to make sure their point is heard and will go to great lengths to defend it. Whether it be the persecution of "witches" to the genocide of the Jews, to the events of 9/11. Every religion is guilty of atrocities that if there was a God, he would damn the whole lot of us.

Why have I chosen the path of Atheism? Because I do not believe society and the world as a whole is better with religion in it, and I would rather see Science and Physics put an end to it and make people grow up and start acting decent towards each other. With the way we twist words and misrepresent and misinterpret the religion we believe, it only leads to more chaos, bloodshed and persecution.

Im sorry if what I say offends some of you, but its really time for people that say they believe in a peaceful god to start acting peaceful and stop misrepresenting their god by killing and hating people different from you. We all have one large thing in common, we are children of EARTH, we are all stuck on this planet together (at least for now), so lets all coexist peacefully.