Why we love Ted Nugent

[mdost03]

The shitty thing is that whenever the government tries to regulate gun rights, they aren't affecting the bad guys at all. They will get guns regardless because they have no regard for the law. When guns are regulated, it only hurts the innocent people, because then they can no longer protect themselves against those who have no regard for the law in the first place.

That is all.

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Even if there was a complete ban on guns, people would still be killing people. It's not like because we have guns, someone decides they are just going to kill someone one day.

[tpunx99GSX]

Tom, while I understand your thoughts on this, we've got to stop penalizing good people, just because of the bad people. This is getting ridiculous.

As far as I'm concerned, if you have a criminal record, you should be forced by law to give up your rights to guns, period. If you have a criminal record and are caught with a gun, you should get a life sentence without the possibility of parole. If you have a criminal record and are then convicted of a crime while in possession of a gun, your ass should just be taken out back and shot!!! End of story. This "but the criminal is really the victim here" crap has got to stop!!!

I totally agree with you vicious, but there are a couple problems with your statements:
1. Criminals that have guns are usually not registered weapons, at least not registered to themselves.
2. Banning guns or any arms is against the same right to bear arms as you are fighting to protect. And where do you draw the line where someone is exempt from the constitution. And if someone is exempt from this one amendment, then when will the gov start banning freedom of speech etc.
The constitution that you all are so gung ho at protecting, is the same constitution that you are now saying should not apply to some citizens.
When regulations are put in place for all guns, its so that the constitution stays in tact, "All men are created equal..." means all men, it wasnt stated "All men (except for people who have commited a crime) are created equal"

[1ViciousGSX]

I totally agree with you vicious, but there are a couple problems with your statements:
1. Criminals that have guns are usually not registered weapons, at least not registered to themselves.
2. Banning guns or any arms is against the same right to bear arms as you are fighting to protect. And where do you draw the line where someone is exempt from the constitution. And if someone is exempt from this one amendment, then when will the gov start banning freedom of speech etc.
The constitution that you all are so gung ho at protecting, is the same constitution that you are now saying should not apply to some citizens.
When regulations are put in place for all guns, its so that the constitution stays in tact, "All men are created equal..." means all men, it wasnt stated "All men (except for people who have commited a crime) are created equal"
Tom, I'll make it easy for you to understand:

If you are a law abiding citizen, you deserve every right guaranteed to you by The Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

As soon as you cross that line, you should be stripped of that privilege. And I'm not talking about jay walking or throwing trash on the highway, I'm talking about a crime against another human being.

[Halon]

we've got to stop penalizing good people, just because of the bad people. This is getting ridiculous.


Quoting FTMFT


But wait wait... Weren't you just all about punishing an entire culture by disallowing them to join the military, based on the actions of just "the bad people"?

[1ViciousGSX]

Quoting FTMFT


But wait wait... Weren't you just all about punishing an entire culture by disallowing them to join the military, based on the actions of just "the bad people"?
Yes

good people = law abiding citizens
bad people = brain washed suicidal terrorist and criminals

Take it how ever you like it.

[Goat Blower]

If you commit a crime, you waive your constitutional rights, not that hard to figure out. If you're in jail for a crime, you obviously don't have your liberties afforded by the constitution. So trying to make the argument that all people should have guns however utopian that may sound, doesn't work because crime=punishment. Or these days, a warm bunk, cable TV, three squares a day, and a free law degree if you so desire. We really should go back to public hangings, no better crime deterrent out there.

[Halon]

Yes

good people = law abiding citizens
bad people = brain washed suicidal terrorist and criminals

Take it how ever you like it.

Exactly.

A couple months ago you said punish a culture/religion (both those good and bad), based on the actions of the bad extremists.

Now you say enough is enough, don't punish the good people based on the actions of the few bad ones.

I'm confused, but that's not all that abnormal.

[tpunx99GSX]

Ok so by crimes you mean violence against other people correct? So you MUST mean Knife attacks. Because no crazy person or bad person with a clean record would ever own a gun, thats only for the upstanding white citizens.... wait... am i missing something?
Stop acting like people with clean records (Non violent offenses include, theft, stealing a car, etc) will not commit crimes that include guns.
There is nothing the government can do to prevent gun violence other than put regulations on ALL weapons. Like i said before, i love shooting guns, but regardless of how many guns i have, if someone wants to shoot me, i will not be able to stop them if they pull the gun first.

[1ViciousGSX]

Exactly.

A couple months ago you said punish a culture/religion (both those good and bad), based on the actions of the bad extremists.

Now you say enough is enough, don't punish the good people based on the actions of the few bad ones.

I'm confused, but that's not all that abnormal.
Yes you are confused and yes I still don't think we should let extremist Muslims in our military while we are fighting a war with extremist Muslims.

[1ViciousGSX]

Ok so by crimes you mean violence against other people correct? So you MUST mean Knife attacks. Because no crazy person or bad person with a clean record would ever own a gun, thats only for the upstanding white citizens.... wait... am i missing something?
Stop acting like people with clean records (Non violent offenses include, theft, stealing a car, etc) will not commit crimes that include guns.
There is nothing the government can do to prevent gun violence other than put regulations on ALL weapons. Like i said before, i love shooting guns, but regardless of how many guns i have, if someone wants to shoot me, i will not be able to stop them if they pull the gun first.
See Tom, you and your way of thinking are what's wrong in America. We have the right to bare arms for sport, self defense of ourselves and our property, hunting, etc. Every natrual born citizen in this country is guaranteed that. But with that right comes the requirement and expectation of being a law abiding citizen. Unfortunately, you can't tell who will become a felon or criminal until they break the law (unless they are a brainwashed Muslim extremist). But since this country has turned into a "nanny" state, it's fair to punish the law abiding citizen while the criminal is breaks the law. Maybe we should outlaw box cutters, aerosol sprays, plastic knives, etc while we're at it.

Bottom line, guns don't kill people, people kill people.