Garrett - now made in China?

[tehehodi]

Well coming form a sort of machining background. I know their tolerances for machining suck donkey balls aren't as close to the specs as it would be in the u.s. Say turning a rod down from 1.000" to .500 +/- .0001 woudl be like +/-.0008 or something in china. ISO standads suck there. But I really don't know what i'm talking about, It's been long since I've machined anything.

[Kracka]

Can anyone explain what ISO standards actually mean, and if they vary from one country to another? I've looked up a few articles online and it just leads to more questions being raised.

[LingLing]

That's pretty shitty. Just another big corporation trying to stay afloat and make millions. Customer service? Quality Product? What are those?

[tehehodi]

Can anyone explain what ISO standards actually mean, and if they vary from one country to another? I've looked up a few articles online and it just leads to more questions being raised.


My father said that china uses metric, and U.S. uses inches. Tolerances are tighter here in the u.s. versus china.
Thats all he remembers. I know the company i used to work for in burnsville switched from ISO 9000 to 9001 and there were more things to check on 1 part and the tolerances were a little tighter.

www.iso.org has more info than i can explain

[mlomker]

It's basically just a boatload of paperwork. ISO does *not* dictate tolerances or anything like that...all it means is that you have documented standards and controls in place that attempt to meet those standards.

As always, what you don't measure tends to have corners cut. The companies that outsource overseas have to measure *everything*. If they don't then the Chinese/Mexicans/etc are going to cut those corners to obtain more profit.

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Any company using inches nowdays is stupid. Chinese tolerances probably aren't as good because they use Chinese made measuring tools. :)

[Matt D.]

Tons of stuff is made in china and its still quality. Depends how the company manages the stuff being made in china, and how strict they are with standards, etc.
Agreed. The company I work for is starting to have some parts produced in China and our tolerances are the most strict of anyone that we compete with, and the quality of our products shows that.

[sleepydsm]

ISO standards are a joke, just a bunch of expensive paperwork explaining the specific process as something is manufactured. And it's very loosely followed, if at all. But without it a company looks like shit. I am now in the machining world, and I know a lot of stuff is being sent to China and Mexico. It is significantly cheaper, but it actually doesn't necessarily mean a shittier product. Lots of companies have their overseas shops set up to their standards, and hold their standards. In the US I'd say most modern production stuff here is metric threads, and dimensions are about 50/50 standard and metric.

Honeywell/Garrett has been spiraling downhill for a long time...

But I personally have seen quality cut for cost and timeliness right here in the USA...

[CarPsyco84]

Heh, I second the ISO standards being a large paperwork waste, I've heard ASE cert for mechanics being similar... ISO just gives a dude up at the front desk something to do and comeback and pretend he knows how to calibrate the instruments out in the shop like those of us that actually use it don't know if its out of whack or not. The tolerances are pretty much set by whoever engineers the part(s) to set the tolerances tight when they need to be and not when it doesn't matter. The problem with getting a bunch of stupid office people that don't know anything involved is when the machine shop that makes the parts tells the customer that they either can't make the part to said tolerances or its too expensive, so then some clown at the customers company says thats ok you don't need to make that turbine shaft +-.0005" +-.005" will be ok.
stuff like this happens alot.
Oh, and all the US miltary parts we make at our work (which is alot of the parts we make), the prints are all metric, which is interesting because we have to use american made sheets of material and they only come in standard sized thickness, but the parts are engineered for metric standard thickness's so we have to get variances all the time for that stuff.

[blackrosenova400]

ASE certification is a joke. The tests are meaningless. Ive taken three of them and they have no bearing on whether you are or arent a good technition. The questions are written by some assclown who thinks he knows what hes talking about, but has no clue. ASE is just a stupid organization that have created a symbol for themselves to make money. Technically the people that are getting screwed are the people who dont know how to work on there own vehicles, and think they are going to an "ASE" certified shop.

Its funny this thread just cam up because me and my fellow technitions were just talking about how pointless and a waste of time ASE is. In fact from what we discussed, shops only need 1 tech, and they can buy all the "We are ASE certified" crap they want.