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scheides
08-12-2009, 09:38 AM
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-x-general/439532-gates311-evo-x-reliability.html

Mitsubishi's all new 4B11T engine in the Evo X has proven to be something special. I've had some great first hand experience with it, and I'm still amazed every time I drive the car. For the past two seasons I've been racing my car all over the US, starting with a brand new car to where it sits today, a 500+whp, 2,850lb. track car. The car has seen many changes...suspension, turbos, fuel type, weight, etc. But the one thing that's remained is the stock Mitsubishi 4B11T engine. It's been extremely resilient, even after 8,750 track miles it's not showing any signs of fatigue. That says alot about the new engine and it's design, but it also goes to show how the right choice of parts and tuner really comes into play.

AMS Performance has been preparing my car since day one, with their bolt-ons, tuning and general maintenance of the car. Road racing requires alot from a car, especially the engine. The engine is running wide open for 20-30 minutes at a time, with all the heat building up things can really go wrong. That's where the right parts and proper tuning really matter. With AMS' parts and tuning, my car has been exceptionally reliable, showing no signs of failure. Even now, with AMS' Prototype Cast Manifold 750R Turbo kit on the car, it's just as reliable on track, every time. The car is making well over 500whp, running upwards of 36-37psi, even revving to 8,200rpm and the stock engine just keeps on running as if it were stock. The 4B11T revs so smooth, even with all the power and we've added, some of the time I forget to think about it on track! There's no weird noises, no sputtering, no knocking, it just runs like new...but with alot more power!

I'd really like to thank Mitsubishi for building such an incredible engine in the 4B11T and AMS Performance for safely extracting so much power out the 4B11T. Reliability is so huge in racing, if you can't focus on the track because you're constantly fighting issues, you will fall behind. Luckily with the 4B11T and AMS Performance, I've had great success with the car and look to continue moving forward.

Video: The car on track, getting completely thrashed on in 97˚ heat:

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Here's the latest graph - AMS Prototype Cast Manifold 750R Turbo kit on E85 Track tune vs. Stock

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/blacktrack/OB%20X%20GSR/AMS750RE85vscompletelystockGSR.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/blacktrack/OB%20X%20GSR/IMG_9386.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/blacktrack/OB%20X%20GSR/Autobahn_2_1copy.jpg

This is roughly the power level I'm running my 7-bolt 4G63 at and has been about the benchmark for what is said to be a safe limit for the stock bottom-end: about 420whp on dyno dynamics or just under 500whp on dynojet. Hopefully the 4B11T can continue this benchmark (or higher) for a reliable DD. There's something to be said about almost 9000 race/track miles on the engine, that could really be considered at least 50-60k DD miles fairly easily. The only thing it doesn't deal with is the frigid MN cold we deal with on a daily basis, but frankly IMHO if it can deal with the above abuse then it can make it 10 MN winters as a DD.

Thanks for the data Ryan! Hopefully we can see more like this :D

awd-drifter
08-12-2009, 09:52 AM
sweet stuff and good to know how great the Evo X can handle it. That is ALOT of track time on that one engine with that much power. 4B11 is quite the solid engine!

slowbubblecar
08-12-2009, 09:52 AM
He is good at driving that thing. When you going to get yours to the road course? When we wen't there was a woman that goes to BIR all the time with her Evo and says the car is meant for it. She has not had any issues either. Not sure if her car was modified though.

Kracka
08-12-2009, 09:59 AM
That definitely says a lot for the 4B11T!

scheides
08-12-2009, 01:13 PM
I asked Ryan if he had had the head off, or if he had done anything to help with the longevity, just to be clear:


The engine is entirely stock. No real secrets to tell ya...OEM oil cooler, OEM studs, OEM everything.


Really is quite amazing!

Shane@DBPerformance
08-12-2009, 01:54 PM
That Tomei 4B11 report made it seem like everything was forged and a step up from the Evo 8/9 stuff.

scheides
08-12-2009, 02:05 PM
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0806_turp_tomei_4b11_technical_report/index.html

Wow, I didn't realize they came with forged pistons from the factory. Great article, never read it before.