I need proof E85 works…and tips for setting it up.

[MitsuChick]

I am thinking about changing my 2g GSX to E85, however, when I mentioned this to my dad he said no way will it make more power than even just pump 92. I know that on some systems with supporting equipment it can make a few more hp’s then even C16 (all depending on the efficiency of the set up).

So I guess this is what I am asking… I need proof (dyno charts or anything else) that shows E85 makes more power than even just simple pump 92 and any supporting information as to why it works. Also why it may work on my 2g but not his C6 Corvette.

Finally I need any tips from people as too what I need to set my car up for E85. Right now my car is mostly stock but does have a 16g on it, an exhaust and blow off valve, just simple stuff. I bought 550 cc injectors for it, but should I go bigger to run E85? Like 880’s? I know some 2g’s need a fuel pressure regulator when switching to E85 and some don’t, what do people recommend? Also I was thinking about tuning on just an SAFC, will this be ok? And do I need a FMIC right away or not? I am not looking to make a lot of power and be the fastest by any means, I just want my car to be a little more fun and eventually make in between 250 to 300.

Any suggestions and information you guys can give would be great.

Thanks!

[Halon]

I had what I thought was phantom knock the entire time I owned my car. Made 285HP on pump 92, knocking like crazy. I tried the race gas at Bobby and Steve's, it didn't help at all.

I went E85 and made 366 on a half assed tune at nearly the same boost level (~23-25psi), with zero knock. The complete lack of knock is what I believe made the huge difference. On 92 I was almost always seeing 40 counts.

Here's some charts. Don't mind the shitty HP curve, it was a shitty tune we did just before the dyno day, had some issues. And that shit tune still did better then the 92 tune that was actually done at a shop.

Before:
http://www.dsmstyle.com/photopost/data/513/dyno_285.jpg

After:
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/data/513/medium/Dyno_4-28-07_small.jpg

[twack]

Im not sure it actually makes more power. E85 is more knock retardent and allows you to push your setup harder. Its not a mystery fuel that instantly ups your power

[scheides]

Two things that you can do with E85 to make more power than with 92:
-more timing
-more boost

The car needs first to be tuned to E85 (get some big injectors!), and that new tune will be able to run more boost and more timing, yielding more power.

A good example is Jim's Evo9 (TalonFiero). I think he made 290whp@24psi (peak) on 92 octane with ebay exhaust & MBC, and a tune from shane. Then he put in a walbro 255 fuel pump, 1000cc injectors, and a panel filter, and a new tune from shane... and made 350whp@27psi (peak) at our dyno day last year.

[Goat Blower]

It doesn't add power, it just allows you to run way more boost and timing due to it's cooling properties and 104 octane rating, which makes power.

It won't work as well on a C6 as our cars since there's no boost to turn up. However, if you can change the timing curves and lean it out a bit over stock, you'd see power gains as well. Corvettes are pretty good stock, where our cars are severely undertuned from the factory.

[MitsuChick]

I understand it’s not the be-all-end-all of fuels by any means. I am just trying to understand why it works for some and it does not for other set ups. I know you need to change things like bigger injectors, but I also know that with a smaller turbo, like mine, it may be more efficient and cost effective (I know you burn through it faster) to run E85 than 111 or C16 which in the end will just mess up my O2 sensors and clog my exhaust unless I make even more changes.

I am just trying to find a way to make more power while not having to run an AEM or even just DSMlink, something on an SAFC if possible that I will not have to switch tunes back and forth all the time.

[MitsuChick]

So if I ran it I could just max out my boost then? And I would not need to worry about knocking, or would a good tune just take care of that?

[TalonFiero]

E85 is basically running race fuel for cheap. The big "con" with e85 is the higher fuel requirement, sometimes over 30% more fuel than when running 92 octane. you will also have to run e85 at all times, no switching back and forth between e85 and 92 unless you have the ability to drain your tank and reload a 92 octane tune into the ecu.

You won't be able to "max out" your boost. You will be able to run a fair amount of more psi of boost pressure due to E85 higher cooling and octane rating but you can't just run the "max". You can't just pour it in and turn up your MBC, you will most definitely need a tune.

[crazy_skier]

I wouldnt say max out, since you currently have no timing control, however you will be able to greatly increase it. The best thing to do is get a logger going and keep turning up the boost/messing with the fuel, until you have the boost you want with zero knock. Oh and keep an eye out for good deals on dsmlink. I was able to get a legit copy of like with an eprom for $400 for a guy in the cities... you just have to watch the boards.

[scheides]

You would probably need DSMLink or AEM to run E85 properly, a good tuning tool is required for a good tune.