quest+AEM+fuel+spark = no start. help?

[FattyBoomBatty]

Title describes it.

In this picture, I have the wires hooked up to the coil 1-4-2-3 left to right. Is that right?
http://www.mitsustyle.com/photopost/data/529/medium/DSC01482.JPG

I checked for spark and it has a pretty strong looking spark. I can smell fuel because it's seeping from the copper washers at the fuel rail and filter (I can fix that later).

And I did not have the computer connected when I cranked it, I am running it off an inverter plugged into the cig. lighter, And I'm not sure, but that might not get power while cranking, dunno. I'll have to wait till friday to check that out.

Could the timing be really wrong? I have the CAS installed with the marks lined up, aligned with TDC on the cam.

I loaded the 1300MAP cal. file and changed to the GM air and water sensors, switched to the 5 bar AEM MAP sensor, changed the injector value to 720cc (they are 750's though) and saved it and loaded it up to the ecu.

Would it be better if I had watched the computer as it cranked?

Lastly, starting a car on AEM with all dsm wires/components would take a professional how long? Because I am thinking about just finishing the install of all the parts and taking it somewhere that knows what the hell they're doing.

recommendations?

edit: would anybody who knows anything about this care to look at the .cal file I used? Cause if you want to, I'd be happy to share, if you were in a helpful mood.

[MustGoFaster]

Sounds like your close, did you try giving it some throttle while cranking? With an AEM it's fine to do so, you will be leaning out the mixture (assuming it's set up the normal way). 1-4-2-3 should be right, but you could always try swapping them around. 2-3-1-4. Did you get any attempts to fire?

When you say computer, do you mean a laptop or a more desktop type deal?

[JET]

It's really late, but I think you have the wires backwards. Do 2-3-1-4 once and see what happens.

[FattyBoomBatty]

Sounds like your close, did you try giving it some throttle while cranking? With an AEM it's fine to do so, you will be leaning out the mixture (assuming it's set up the normal way). 1-4-2-3 should be right, but you could always try swapping them around. 2-3-1-4. Did you get any attempts to fire?

When you say computer, do you mean a laptop or a more desktop type deal?

I meant laptop computer with a battery that doesn't work, so I need to always have it plugged in, but I was thinking that the 12v cig lighter plug doesn't get juice when I crank, so I didn't test that theory, I just turned off the computer.

All the aem stuff was plugged in, of course. I am in a difficult position with playing with the car, I only get to see it on fridays, like a prisoner or something.

As for the spark plug order, Jet's saying it might be 2-3-1-4, and you mentioned it once, so I'll try that. And I didn't give it any throttle, it didn't cross my mind, I'm used to factory starting setup, lol.

[niterydr]

You can always bring it down, we can sort it out.

[Goat Blower]

Yeah, your computer won't be powered while you're cranking, that's the problem I had running a laptop with a bad battery. You can actually see if you're getting spark by your tachometer jumping just a bit while cranking.

I'm no pro and it took me about 15 minutes to get my AEM hooked up and started. You did set the base timing at 5 degrees and set the AEM the same, correct? You'll have to immediately match up the timing between the two once the car is running.

[FattyBoomBatty]

I know that, but there is absolutely no way for my to tell what mechanical timing is now, lol. I would have to get it running first, and as for timing in AEM, it's whatever the 13_1300map.cal file set it to, which is something pretty low for idle, I think, but like 30 degrees when cranking, I looked at that graph a bit, but I didn't do anything about it.

This is on my g54b engine, not a 4g6x, so it's all goofy and mostly a guess.

edit: oh yeah, I wanted to ask: I know it spins ok, but if there was a problem with the CAS, it probably wouldn't spark, right?

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Does it fire in the slightest? If you are getting spark at all, then the CAS and AEM are atleast getting something, but it could be firing the cylinders on the wrong stroke.

Are the spark plugs soaking in fuel or not?

Did you adjust the fuel and timing maps for the MAP sensor change, they need to be rescaled, but wouldn't be used until it fires and gets out of cranking mode.

Cranking timing is usually in the 10-20 degree range.

Do you adjust the cranking fuel table?

The main fuel and cranking fuel table would also need adjustment for the displacement different between a 2.0l and 2.6l.

Are you using a CAS, ignitor and coil from a 1G or are they setup exactly the same on a Conquest, including the way the CAS is orientated into the cam?

[MustGoFaster]

I had him send me the file.

Not that you need to but my first recommendation would be to go here and DL the new software version. Your on 1.00, the newest is 1.19, they update and add features and fix bugs. http://forum.aempower.com/forum/index.php/topic,17194.0.html

You should also go through every option and check them. I just looked at the cam/crank sensor options and it had the "lancer 2.4" one selected.

[FattyBoomBatty]

Does it fire in the slightest? If you are getting spark at all, then the CAS and AEM are atleast getting something, but it could be firing the cylinders on the wrong stroke.

Are the spark plugs soaking in fuel or not?

Did you adjust the fuel and timing maps for the MAP sensor change, they need to be rescaled, but wouldn't be used until it fires and gets out of cranking mode.

Cranking timing is usually in the 10-20 degree range.

Do you adjust the cranking fuel table?

The main fuel and cranking fuel table would also need adjustment for the displacement different between a 2.0l and 2.6l.

Are you using a CAS, ignitor and coil from a 1G or are they setup exactly the same on a Conquest, including the way the CAS is orientated into the cam?

No fire at all, just cranking. I didn't check the plugs, not a whole lot of time that day.

I just changed the sensors and fuel injector size in through the menus. I did not mess with any tables. This was my first time seeing the AEM program running, and I've never had any training/experience in tuning, so I am a n00b.

It uses everything from a '90 dsm. I modded the camshaft to drive the CAS from the back - see "turning my quest into a dsm" in the project section on this site for pics.

I will try some of the stuff you (extremely helpful) guys are suggesting, but with every response I am leaning more and more toward just bringing it in somewhere.