ECU and Tubo options

[flametail]

I haven't seen anything about this so I figure the ECU doesn't have to be adapted or tweaked if you add a larger turbo...but, if i decide to upgrade the turbo, what kind should I get? I don't plan on making an obsurd amount of HP and I would rather it be kinda inexpensive (not cheap). What numbers would I be seeing with different turbos and what are the pros/cons of the different turbos?

[niterydr]

I haven't seen anything about this so I figure the ECU doesn't have to be adapted or tweaked if you add a larger turbo...but, if i decide to upgrade the turbo, what kind should I get? I don't plan on making an obsurd amount of HP and I would rather it be kinda inexpensive (not cheap). What numbers would I be seeing with different turbos and what are the pros/cons of the different turbos?

Anytime you increase the airflow into our out of a motor you will need additional tuning. Fortunally for this market there are plenty of piggybacks that work very well with most basic turbo upgrades.
There is a huge variety of turbo's you can upgrade to. What is your goal with the vehicle?

[rst95eclipse]

It's just me, but I wouldn't go with a "hack" style system to increase the amount of fuel your motor will see. I'm definately a supporter of DSMLink, whether it's a 9 second beast or daily driver with an upgraded turbo. If you plan on it just to be a fun car, an Evo 16g or possibly even a 50 trim would be great. But if you look into the numbers, you might as well just spend a few hundred more and get a 60 trim or a GT-30R. But of course you'll need supporting mods, so it's all based upon your goals and plans for the car.

[carltalon]

The DSM Link is great, but isnt in eveyones price range. SAFC's, EPROM chips. Etc. are a great option for most daily drivin DSM's.

[flametail]

the car will be a daily driver, and all mods will be done by me and my dad. I've read quite a bit about the 16g and I think that's about as big as I'll be going for a turbo when/if I upgrade. What needs to be done to accomidate for the 16g?

[scheides]

it is the same size (on the outside) of the stock 1G turbo, the 14b, so on a 1G it will bolt right up. On a 2G, you need a few extra pieces, but it will basically fit too. I have a 16g on my 2G right now and it's awesome! Best bang for your buck will be the evo3 16g (MHI). They can be had for as little as $450 and people have made 300whp with them pretty regularly.

[niterydr]

It's just me, but I wouldn't go with a "hack" style system to increase the amount of fuel your motor will see. I'm definately a supporter of DSMLink, whether it's a 9 second beast or daily driver with an upgraded turbo. If you plan on it just to be a fun car, an Evo 16g or possibly even a 50 trim would be great. But if you look into the numbers, you might as well just spend a few hundred more and get a 60 trim or a GT-30R. But of course you'll need supporting mods, so it's all based upon your goals and plans for the car.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but all the DSMLINK does is hack the factory ecu code.
The fuel adjustment is very similar as an S-afc (that is setup correctly), the only advantage is the timing control (almost).



Flaimtail- It looks like you are looking for a very basic setup (but very effective).
Injectors, fuel pump, good airflow sensor, S-afc or dsmlink or eprom tuned ecu, exhaust, 02 housing, intake, evo 16g, maybe a fmic, headstuds..your good to go.
Oh and a clutch, can't forget that.
I take it this is on a 1g? So you'll be fine with an oil feed and drain upgrade, and a 2g mas swap. I"d recommend something in the 580cc-680cc range for injectors and a street core sized fmic to go well with the 16g.
Headstuds are a must if you are going to go over 17psi, and if the motor has some mileage on it, you might as well do a timing belt and headgasket while you are there.
As far as racing is concerned, you can also use a 4 bolt rear end (91's come with a 3 bolt), and probably suspension as well.
You can also add a ported 2g manifold or an evo manifold while you are putting on the turbo.

[flametail]

niterydr, you are pretty much correct on your assumption about what I want, something reliable and effective. I'm gonna have to replace the head gasket and probably the timing belt anyways b/c I have to swap the engine from a FWD into the AWD I plan to get. For all the info on the car go here: http://www.dsmstyle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13563
I was planning on going along with Mach V's (www.machv.com) suggested stages for upgrading. They pretty much say to change everything you stated.

[Goat Blower]

Just don't buy any parts from Mach V, they're nice guys but hella expensive.

[flametail]

I've been searching around and found 2 sites I'll more then likely use:
MAPerformance and Road Race Engineering