prelude vs. tsi

[3speedgsx]

I want to know how a prelude isn't beat by most everything. Seriously, 190 horse and 160 ft lbs. I'm not impressed. I don't care how sweet tha V-TAK is.

The prelude isn't fast by any means, but it's a quick little car and somehow it keeps pullin way past redline. Anyways it's Not like a 210hp Car is that impressive either, Or a 225hp car. We are college kids with no money so shut the **** up.

[xveganxcowboyx]

I suppose the ponies could carry it in the high end, but that's a serious lack of torque. And of course a stock DSM isn't much either. I guess I just wouldn't bother comparing.

And what's with the harshness 3? No need to be rude. I too am a broke as college student. ;) Trying to scrounge enough for a rebuild this winter...


A stock DSM barely has more power and weighs more, hence why the Prelude wins from a roll.

[MATCHBX]

The thing that you have to look at it with the Honda's is how much power is actually being transmitted to the wheels. Honda has very little drivetrain loss compared to fwd and awd DSM's. The new Civic's are in the mid-90%'s for torque and HP. Their torque curves are very linear as well. A 190hp Honda will put down close to 180hp at the wheels. Where as a 190hp DSM awd will put about 150hp to the wheels. There is your difference right there. Plus, of course, the Prelude weighing slightly less.

[JET]

Actually they redid how the Mfg's have to rate HP and found some companies were rating low. Honda was one that was rating a bit high, toyota was WAY high and GM was actually rating a bit low.

[Kracka]

Nobody was rating "high" or "low", testing procedures and rules were changed. Everyone was previously testing within the rules. My guess is, the new procedures favor torque a bit more when calculating HP. Most Hondas lost about 3hp on paper (keep in mind that actual output has not changed)..

[JET]

Most Hondas lost about 3hp on paper (keep in mind that actual output has not changed)..

With some losing up to 12 hp.

[xveganxcowboyx]

Do you guys have a link to something with more info. It would be interesting to read about.

[Kracka]

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0508/17/A01-283759.htm

What a shock, the SAE is chaired by a GM tech. The article is very pro-domestic anti-Japanese but there is a tiny bit of good info hidden within.

[xveganxcowboyx]

Interesting read. So does it seem like the imports tended to upswing the estimates intentionally and the domestics underplayed them as stated or was it more of a method difference?

What do real world wheel dynos say?

[Kracka]

Real-world dynos say exactly the same as they did before, actual power output did not change at all. Basically the SAE closed a few loop-holes in the rules that the Japanese manufactuers were taking advantage of.