Standalones

[Iceman]

Originally posted by gixxer@Jan 11 2004, 11:17 PM
i think standalones are ghey unless its for an all-out race car. i saw so many 10 sec cars at the SO running vpcs, afcs, and maf trans that i made my decision then to never own one.
another thing, do you really think you could grasp working a device as complicated as this? i know jet and ryan were toying with the programs for the AEM months before they even got it.

don't be another example of too much money and too little brains. you can build a fast car w/o buying every expensive black box, a 2.4, or even rims!
Alright so you think i would have just as good luck or better tuning with what? I agree that I would have a hard time tuning it.

[Super Bleeder!!]

a 2g maf, VPC, or gm maf. people have consistantly made good power with them. i heard the next version of the gm maf trans will have an afc like feature built in, much more resolution than the current version

[Goat Blower]

Get a VPC, people are selling them cheap used these days and there's only three knobs to get in trouble with. Plus you get rid of that stupid MAF shit.

[Iceman]

Originally posted by gixxer@Jan 11 2004, 11:40 PM
a 2g maf, VPC, or gm maf. people have consistantly made good power with them. i heard the next version of the gm maf trans will have an afc like feature built in, much more resolution than the current version
I'm thinking MAFT and 3" GM MAF. Wideband, pocketlogger. Need something to control Timming though.

[Super Bleeder!!]

Originally posted by Iceman@Jan 11 2004, 11:51 PM
Need something to control Timming though.
ah, yes. delicious timming

[MustGoFaster]

With the chips that are now available with fuel correction, maf correction, ect. ect. ect. I don't plan on owning an AEM for a while, maybe never who knows. It wasn't hard to get john's car to make power. The hard part is/was idle, knock noise setup (mainly cause he had a noisier engine, with extremely conservative settings I/we could get the noise table to look like other people's, even on C16, but we ran it rather noisy and when the head came off, absolutely no sings of knock) It is life easier if you keep it simple. I plan on it. And yes, if you get one you MUST RTFM!

[At-Least-It's-An-Evo]

Originally posted by gixxer+Jan 12 2004, 01:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gixxer @ Jan 12 2004, 01:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Iceman@Jan 11 2004, 11:51 PM
Need something to control Timming though.
ah, yes. delicious timming [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol: I want to control timming 'cause I want to do some major tunning too... :lol: :lol:

[niterydr]

Tuning is the key to unlocking power, but just because the system is easy to use, doesn't mean it will get you the most power. The aftermarket controller/standalone market is flooded with systems, not enough techs. Nearly all systems have problems, you just have to pick your poision.
Either way, in the end the car WILL haul out, its just which system do you want?
mas setup/afc combo:
pro: Great street combo, basic, fairly user friendly.
con: not as adjustible as most fuel controllers, can't control timing, can't control rev-limiter, can't datalog internally.
So now we have maft ($300) and afc (300), now we add a timing controller (many available, range in prices, for ease we'll say $300). now we add a eprom ecu, btw andy, how is that search going? so we can run a tmo or whatever they call them now. I think that upgrade is also $300. Pretty sweet now we have piggy backs on piggy backs on a hacked ecu, all for 1200+and no datalogging.
Or we go standalone:
aem or haltech, both have user support, both have problems, both cost over 1k.
vpc+fuel controller (fine tune)+ ignition timing, still spendy.
The entire point is tuning can be done, is just what do you want to deal with? If I were to run piggy's i'd go emanage with maft. That gives you ignition timing, fuel control, and a larger mas. Standalone, as much as I don't like them, problem AEM.
Just my $.02, just like everyones.
Oh and welcome to the spelling bee,::flame suit::, jimmy cracked corn and I don't care if its misspelled.

[SlowWhite]

My opinion on the Stand alone system. is this

For my 2G I wish I could go back and get the DSMLINK back when I first got my car. It opened my eyes to so much more then just EGT Temps and SAFC controls.

However I'm one of those people that has the laptop running each time I go out.

I love it because of the wide range of things I can do with it. Not just Fuel/Timing controls.

I can log almost any thing on my car. And because of that it allowed me to find several faults in my Set up. From running 115% IDC on my RC 550's running 20psi on pump gas, to High intake temps.

Plus it has the Stutterbox and NLTS Capabilities which I'm loving.

At all times I'm logging/watching:
-timing, knock,IDC, A/F Ratio, HP, RPMS. FRONT 02,Int Temp,Cool Temp,LTFT LO, LTFT, Air Flow lbs/mn, AirFlow g/s, AirFlow per Rev g/rev , LTFT Mid.

Anycase I say a stand alone is something that no matter what HP. Is a useful tool that's well worth the money and won't be a waiste.

-Brian

[1Fst14B]

first of all, im cusious how your injectors are open for more than 100% of the time?

Standalones must do wonder's to injectors